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This is a discussion on USGI M14E2/M14A1 and it's Parts within the The M14 forums, part of the M14 M1A Forum category; I guess I'll weigh in here and post some photos that may help a bit. Here are 2 shots of a fake and 2 of ...


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Old June 15th, 2014, 10:17 AM   #31
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I guess I'll weigh in here and post some photos that may help a bit. Here are 2 shots of a fake and 2 of the 2nd USGI model, which has a 7791661 no. on the left side. The fake is a copy of the 3rd model and should not have a 7791661 no. but 11686521 in stead. Next I'll post a couple of shots of the MPI USGI model 3.




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Old June 15th, 2014, 10:17 AM   #32
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I dare say that if a little oil was applied to the CMP stabilizer it would look just like the one I have. New from wrap, no oil, it will not show its true features like the one that has had oil applied.

It would really be nice if we could have a bunch more photos of that one.

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Old June 15th, 2014, 11:11 AM   #33
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This is an MPI stabilizer and if you look closely at the model number you will see that the 2 in the number sits a tad higher than the rest and as for the letters MPI, when I blew up the pic with the wraper that Ren provided and played with the all the editing dials I could make out what looks to be 3 characters. I will try to post them along with the raised 2 in the pic with the wrapper.



Sorry for the facial hair in the pic and this is the right side view of the 2nd USGI model having no number.

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Thank God it was facial hair. Starting to worry about you

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Old June 15th, 2014, 07:48 PM   #35
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These are all one in the same E2 stabilizer. And USGI.







And very possibly this one.


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Old June 15th, 2014, 08:07 PM   #36
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Old June 15th, 2014, 08:16 PM   #37
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Real 7791661 marked E2 stabilizers are marked 7791661 on the other side of the swing arm and have a wedge shaped piece that goes into the back of the bayonet lug.
Right Greg, the 7791661 model number is exclusive to the 2nd model stabilizer like the one I have posted, the Col. may be describing the fake 3rd model I have posted.

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Old June 15th, 2014, 08:45 PM   #38
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Phinehas, both of mine look to be duplicates of your top two photos - the fakes. Interesting, in that the parkerizing is smooth and uniform - but one is dark park, one lighter. If they are indeed fakes, they are high quality fakes that look like a Govt. Contract piece.

Is it possible that the gentleman reproducing them misnumbered them deliberately (both wrong number for the version and on the wrong side) to make sure they would be recognized as reproductions rather than the real thing? If he was working from an original - and the detail is otherwise very good, he must have been - perhaps he was trying NOT to be a Counterfeiter! CC

PS - Sorry I have two fakes, though. At least they look usable. I would believe my sellers thought they were real, also. Since nobody at the time would tell anyone what is real, I ended up with fakes, that I have believed for years, due to their age, must be real! And I find out the book I used as an up to date source cannot be relied on, either, due to flawed research. Why attempt to collect anything, anyway!! Not that I'm bitter. :)

Those of you with first hand, absolutely sure knowledge of historical military collectables need to either publish articles (and get paid for them) or books (and get paid for your work and research, if that is your goal) - and let the rest of us know what is right before the Grim Reaper comes and buries all that hard won knowledge with you! Because your sources are probably all dead, and you are the last repository of that knowledge. Don't let it DIE with you! CC

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Old June 15th, 2014, 08:47 PM   #39
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Purists don't look!

This is a photo out of FM 23-8 pg. 25, Fig. 20 April 1974, showing a rifle with a 2nd model stabilizer and what I believe is a sling swivel from a standard butt stock and a Flathead bolt!

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Phinehas, both of mine look to be duplicates of your top two photos - the fakes. Interesting, in that the parkerizing is smooth and uniform - but one is dark park, one lighter. If they are indeed fakes, they are high quality fakes that look like a Govt. Contract piece. Agreed

Is it possible that the gentleman reproducing them misnumbered them deliberately (both wrong number for the version and on the wrong side) to make sure they would be recognized as reproductions rather than the real thing? Possibility. If he was working from an original - and the detail is otherwise very good, he must have been - perhaps he was trying NOT to be a Counterfeiter! CC Good point.

PS - Sorry I have two fakes, though. At least they look usable. I would believe my sellers thought they were real, also. Since nobody at the time would tell anyone what is real, I ended up with fakes, that I have believed for years, due to their age, must be real! CC
. . . and I have one too.

You know Col. I am definitely no expert, just speaking from some of the TM's & FM's I have seem to indicate they probably aren't righteous, but I certainly could be wrong, I was wrong about Ren's MPI.

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It's fun to look through old manuals! One of the first official pictures of a M1903A4 shows it with a Lyman Alaskan scope, clear as day! That's what they wanted - but Lyman couldn't supply the scopes, so they switched to Weaver. But the Manual says.......... (And it MUST be right, Right?) CC

PS - Thanks for the photos and the clarification, Phinehas! CC

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You bet Col., the military manuals are fun to read, and yes, if it's in there it must be true.

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Old June 15th, 2014, 10:06 PM   #43
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Here's one more photo of an E2 stabilizer, the 1st model out of R. Blake Stevens' book "U.S. RIFLE M14 - from John Garand to the M21" on pg. 250. Notice also another example of an expedient answer to a bipod sling swivel. This is another fine book on the development of the M14 that comes highly recommended.
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Sorry, went out on the jet ski yesterday(one of the nice things about living in Cleveland-Lake Erie) and missed some of this thread. Going to go over Wags hopefully next weekend and get pictures of my stabilizer as close to the pictures
you posted of yours Ren and will post when I do. Might try before then with my crappy camera.

Anybody notice that on the repo sold by Fulton among all the other differences the swing arm is longer than a USGI.

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I want to thank all who have participated in this thread thus far and hope others will do so as well, the old idea of keeping secrets and not passing on good information makes victims of us all. If we are armed with knowledge we cannot be taken advantage of by people who would like to pass off fakes and forgerys.

I hope more people will paricipate in this thread, thanks again.

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