Second trip to UPS Longwood Florida results the same. NOT able to ship. This was due to the fact that I didn't print my label at home. Here is the correspondence to and from ATF;
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 11:25 AM
To: FIPB Regulatory Email inquiries
Subject: UPS Issues shipping to a License Holder
I need your help. I have read the requirements of;
[18 U.S.C. 922(a)(2)(A), 922(a) (3), 922(a)(5) and 922(e), 27 CFR 478.31 and 478.30] I have also read the UPS guidelines listed on their Web Page and find nothing that sheds any light on this isssue.
I was trying to ship a rifle to an FFL holder in another state. The receiving FFL holder cannot by law give me a copy of his FFL or the entire number. UPS states that I cannot ship from a UPS Hub/Shipping center without this. Their position was;
1- I cannot ship from the Center without a copy of the FFL since that somehow makes them liable as "the Shipper."
2- I can ship if I create an account and print the label from home without an FFL and either have it picked up or then drop it off at the same facility.
I can't understand how if my name is on the box and label that I am not the shipper.Do you have any direction on this issue you could provide?
Thank you for your recent inquiry to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF). This is in response to your email in which you inquired about UPS regulations as they pertain to shipping firearms.
Although Federal law and regulations may allow a person to ship a firearm to an FFL in a different State, ATF does not have jurisdiction over United States Postal Service (USPS) and/or common or contract carriers. They may have their own internal policies on the shipment of firearms. You must also adhere to the USPS and/or common or contract carriers policies and procedures when shipping firearms as well.
In addition, there may be State laws that pertain to this proposed activity. Contact State Police units or the office of your State Attorney General (www.naag.org
) for information on any such requirements.
We trust the foregoing has been responsive to your inquiry. Should you have additional questions, please contact your local ATF office. A listing of ATF office phone numbers can be found at: http://www.atf.gov/field
Firearms Industry Programs Branch, ATF
The gun was refused the second time as I went to the hub to ship but the label can't be printed there?????
I was finally able after an hour on the phone with UPS able to complete my account WITH a number this time. I then requested a pickup and had my regular driver pickup the gun and ship WITHOUT opening package and WITHOUT proof of FFL.
I am not done with these bozos yet.