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Old January 11th, 2013, 06:43 AM   #1
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is this a legit hahn receiver?

the markings look like they were electro penciled on and the real hahns i have seen pictures of have the hahn markings rolled on. im guessing this one was an attempt to make legal an otherwise illigal receiver but i could be wrong. maybe hahn let his children scribe his receivers until the roll marker machine came in
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=325241663

heres a pic of a legit hahn, much much different
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Old January 11th, 2013, 06:52 AM   #2
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Gee...I sure don't know! I'm not even sure that isn't a "grease pencil" marking on there as opposed to a mechanical pencil? The heel stamp looks official though. I should "pop over to Fountain Hills (next town over) and have a look.

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Old January 11th, 2013, 06:53 AM   #3
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Nice find boomer....doesn't even require a FFL to transfer. Thank you this made my day! lol

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Old January 11th, 2013, 07:05 AM   #4
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The reciever looks to have been recently re-parked. The writing looks to be pencil or grease pencil to me, and avoids the area where the legit markings are at on the other picture your posted. The legit markings are pretty light in that picture. I wonder if they just didn't show up well in photos after the park job so the guy wrote it on there next to them. Just a thought. If you're thinking of bidding on it, make sure to ask the seller lots of questions.

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Old January 11th, 2013, 08:56 AM   #5
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Why isn't an FFL required for transfer?

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Old January 11th, 2013, 09:11 AM   #6
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Nice find boomer....doesn't even require a FFL to transfer. Thank you this made my day! lol
How do you figure?

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Old January 11th, 2013, 10:01 AM   #7
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Hahn Machine was one of few companies the ATF allowed to weld together demilled receivers back when. They also had plans to manufacture a cast receiver and exhibited one partially completed at the SHOT Show many years ago. The cast receiver apparently wasn't produced for sale.

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Old January 11th, 2013, 10:30 AM   #8
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Do you need the letter from ATF to prove legality to own one?

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Old January 11th, 2013, 10:32 AM   #9
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Why isn't an FFL required for transfer?
because its just a regular old semi auto m1a type, not an NFA item.


i think your confused. he means it does not require an ffl to transfer in his own state.

to ship it across the country would require one.


seems to me the burden of proof is on the ATF. if the seller has a good story for why its penciled on then what a steal!

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because its just a regular old semi auto m1a type, not an NFA item.


i think your confused. he means it does not require an ffl to transfer in his own state.

to ship it across the country would require one.


seems to me the burden of proof is on the ATF. if the seller has a good story for why its penciled on then what a steal!
the sellers the one that's confused. Even though it's not an nfa it still needs to go through an ffl and for some reason the seller put it as not needing to go through an ffl

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Old January 11th, 2013, 12:52 PM   #11
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the sellers the one that's confused. Even though it's not an nfa it still needs to go through an ffl and for some reason the seller put it as not needing to go through an ffl
Why would it need an FFL if it was done FTF?

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Old January 11th, 2013, 01:08 PM   #12
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Why would it need an FFL if it was done FTF?
well it wouldn't in that case but the odds of the winning bidder on gungroker being within driving distance is pretty slim and is the reason why the receiver should be listed as needing an ffl. It's standard gunbroker protocol to avoid the winning bidder to think it can be shipped directly to his house as the seller mentions nothing about it being a ftf only auction

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Old January 11th, 2013, 01:34 PM   #13
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I have some conserns about this receiver. The markings don't look like those I've seen before on Hahn receivers. Usually they are electro penciled on the bottom just behind the legs. Also, if this is a welded receiver, it's about the best welding job I've ever seen (limited by the clarity of the photo). Then there is the dismount notch in the rail. This should have been welded up and a new one machined into the receiver above the op rod way. I'm not going to say this receiver is bogus, but I don't think it looks right and that could spell a lot of trouble for the purchaser. I'd want some documentation.

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Old January 14th, 2013, 07:52 AM   #15
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No telling whose re-weld the advertised one is or whether it's a good job, etc., which is exactly why I'd want a clean xerox copy of the OK letter from the ATF that went to the machinist, in this case said to have been Mr. Hahn. Without that, you've got nothing but "The guy on Gunbroker said," and your investment is subject to forfeiture.

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