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Old September 15th, 2005, 03:46 AM   #1
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Who makes the best shooting sling out there?

I need a new one,

I was looking at turner, the old leather one, but I heard that the new waterproof material is good too?


Anybody have any experience?


I'm not just limiting it to turner though, they are just the only ones I can think of offhand. But if any of you shooters can point me in the right direction I'd appreciate it.





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Old September 15th, 2005, 04:14 AM   #2
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I really like the 1907 slings, of which Turner is one manufacturer. It is what I was trained on.

I have been using the Biothane model for a couple of years now and really like it. I highly recommend it.

http://www.brownells.com/aspx/NS/sto...US+RIFLE+SLING

I don't know what you're looking at putting it on, but if it uses separate, detachable sling swivels, I recommend these:

http://www.brownells.com/aspx/NS/sto...L-SPEC+SWIVELS

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Old September 15th, 2005, 05:47 AM   #3
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The good old USGI web sling you can buy for less than $10 works as well or better in my opinion as any 1907 sling.

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Old September 15th, 2005, 05:58 AM   #4
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Get the biothane!

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Old September 15th, 2005, 06:50 AM   #5
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NM Sling

The BEST Bar None is a NM sling from Les Tam I have one and its AWESOME !!! http://www.sharkysdive.net/lestamslings.htm Give him a call,,talk to him about what you want,,he is a awesome guy,,they cost a bit more but I think they are worth every penny. My second choice would be a Turner,,call them up and see if they have seconds,,one with small blemish on them,,,it took me 20min. to find the one on mine when I did get it,,they cost around $35 bucks,instead of $50 !

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Old September 15th, 2005, 08:21 AM   #6
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it depends on what you will use it for...
assault : Eagle
sniper : Tactical Intervention
national match: Turner

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Old September 15th, 2005, 10:24 AM   #7
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Tactical sling or competition shooting sling?

The best tactical sling, IMHO, is the cuff sling made by Mike Miller (Tactical Intervention). Available from Brownells or direct. Mike is an LE sniper and instructor. As such, he knows what works! Support the community.

You've got several choices in a M1907 competition shooting sling. Mostly depends on what you like.

If you prefer leather the Les Tam sling is the highest quality that you can buy. The Turner is second best, and only by a small amount,

That said, the Turner Biothane M1907 sling is the way to go. No break-in time, no worry about cracking around the holes, no drying out or rotting due to moisture or the sun and no maintenance needed, ever! A damp sponge with some warm soapy water will make it look like the day you got it after a full competition season. This sling is so supple that you can tie it in tight knots easily, yet it will never show any creases or kinks.

If it sounds like I like the Biothane sling you'd better believe it! I've been shooting with one since they first came out and will never go back.

Of course, the cotton M1 GI sling will work OK, especially if you're not a hard holder.

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Old September 15th, 2005, 02:21 PM   #8
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i have a couple from les tam
they are indeed sweet.
a bit pricey but well worth the money

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Old September 15th, 2005, 03:15 PM   #9
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How does the 1907 serve better as a shooting aid than the GI web sling?

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Old September 15th, 2005, 03:18 PM   #10
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To tell the truth I have used them all over the years and the old Turner is great, but I prefer the G I web sling. I even put one on my SOCOM. I have on on my NM and shot a 92 from the 600. I could get better but at my age it is for fun. In a shtf the web is great.

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Old September 15th, 2005, 04:46 PM   #11
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The 1907 sling has much, much more solid adjustments, and the adjustments are repeatable.

Also, the GI web sling will stretch, affecting your position.

A well-cared for 1907 leather sling will not stretch. A 1907 sling in Biothane will NEVER stretch.

I used a leather 1907 sling as a Scout-Sniper in the Marine Corps. I also used one when shooting compe***ion in the Marine Corps. Trust me, if much cheaper GI web sling works just as well, the Corps wouldn't be spending all that money on 1907's!

Go to Camp Perry or any other high power match. You'll see 1907's (leather and Biothane) galore, but you won't see any GI web slings!

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Old September 15th, 2005, 05:51 PM   #12
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A good web sling will not stretch. It does not slip down on your arm like leather does.

It allows much quicker adjustments and it is just quicker and easiser to get in and out of.

I think the 1907 sling is more of a tradition than a more usefull product.

Highpower shooters think they must use one because someone else does.

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Old September 15th, 2005, 07:28 PM   #13
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A USGI-issue nylon sling WILL stretch. They stretch when they are new, and they stretch worse as time goes by. I'm not talking stretching like a rubber band, but there is a definite stretch. A very slight, imperceptible stretch at 600yds could put you off the target.

The rough side of a leather sling has much more friction than a woven nylon strap.

Also, once you get your specific adjustment points, which will often be different for different positions, the holes on a good 1907 are numbered for easy reference. If not, you can easily write on the sling to mark the holes. I use an OD green Biothane sling and it works great.

It is harder to mark the nylon sling, because the keeper is biting on 2 different places in the sling at one time. If you have the correct mark on 1 half of the sling, you could still be off on the other half of the sling. Way off.

The 1907 sling is very quick to adjust, if you know what you're doing. Just slip the hooks to another set of holes. Voila!

Highpower shooters who win compe***ions use the equipment that will help them win, not what the guy on the position next door is doing. The guys on the winners podium at the end of the day are using 1907 slings, usually. Some use other slings like Mike Miller's Tactical Intervention or the set up that David Tubb uses. But no USGI web slings.

USMC Scout-Sniper issue is the 1907 sling. The US Army and Navy SEAL Snipers that I have trained with also used 1907 slings. The FBI and Secret Service Snipers I trained with used the 1907 sling. Not a groups of fellas that I think use stuff cuz someone else does!

Not saying that the web sling isn't useful. A properly used web sling can be very accurate. I don't recall ever missing a shot from the 500yd line on qual day with an M16A2, prone position with a loop sling using the issue web sling. I use an OD green web sling on my SOCOM 16 and like it just fine for that application.

What I'm trying to say is that they are both useful slings, but for serious, precise long range rifle work, the USGI web sling can't run with a properly broken in leather 1907 sling, or any Biothane 1907 sling.

For more precise work, my HD Rifles-built Remington 700 sports a Biothane 1907 sling.

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Old September 16th, 2005, 08:40 AM   #14
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Mitch Maxberry used to shoot service rifle with a web sling and did pretty well with it.

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Old September 16th, 2005, 09:23 AM   #15
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Mitch Maxberry used to shoot service rifle with a web sling and did pretty well with it.

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It all depends on the individual shooter and his shooting style.

Because a certain individual does extremely well with a piece of gear it doesn't mean that the majority of competitors will be equally successful with it. I'm sure that David Tubb could clean my clock even if he were restricted to using no sling at all!

Most national-level competitors use an M1907 style sling because their shooting style calls for a whole lot of tension on the sling. Why do you think the NM reinforced front sling swivel units for the M14 became so popular?

I've used both the nylon and the cotton M1 web slings on the line and have found that the cotton sling will stretch when I really manhandle the rifle and the nylon version will slip - a real nightmare in the rain. And it always seems to rain at Perry!

Many folks have never really learned how to shoot with a tight sling. Most would quickly see the difference if they did.

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