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Old November 8th, 2012, 08:06 PM   #1
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Early M14 Stock ID

I have an early walnut M14 stock in as new condition, it was on a rifle at some point as there are contact marks on the wood. It has the Garand butt plate (steel), 'gorilla' dimples on the ferrule, no acceptance stamps, has the selector cut-out. The only mark under the butt plate is a '4' - any clue as to manufacturer?, I would assume it is an SA piece. I am told that it is a somewhat rare piece due to condition and age. If it is, I'll keep it in the SKS crate with the other wood and buy a different stock for my next project.

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Old November 8th, 2012, 08:36 PM   #2
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Sounds like a T44 stock. They come up for sale from time to time. Would be better if you could post some pics.

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Old November 8th, 2012, 09:07 PM   #3
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I have one similar to that but mine is a heavy walnut stock without the cut out and void of any markings. Someone once told me it was a match stock but I don't know.

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Old November 9th, 2012, 11:37 AM   #4
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The original M14 stocks were made by Springfield Armory. Only about 30,000 were made with the Garand style butt plate. They were replaced in late 1960 with the hinged butt plate stock.

If anyone has one of these stocks for sale please send me a PM.

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Old November 10th, 2012, 06:32 AM   #5
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Here are a few pics. I have a lace up riser on it right now (not screwed on!). Let me know what you think. As always, digital camera makes it look worse than it is.

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Old November 10th, 2012, 07:03 AM   #6
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Nice... Jeff from TheCollectorsSource sells these for quite some cashole...Although his are still in the VCI wrap.

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Old November 10th, 2012, 07:12 AM   #7
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Here are a few pics. I have a lace up riser on it right now (not screwed on!). Let me know what you think. As always, digital camera makes it look worse than it is.

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I would personally take that rest off completely. It is meant for a M1D or M1C offset scope and the leather will mess with the wood underneath, at best causing it to be a different color.

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Just did it a couple weeks ago, it isn't staying on.

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Old November 12th, 2012, 05:56 AM   #9
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I would personally take that rest off completely. It is meant for a M1D or M1C offset scope and the leather will mess with the wood underneath, at best causing it to be a different color.
You're not wrong!


The early type stock is one of my favorites. I bought a wretched Fed Ord rifle or some such thing just to get the stock and handguard. Moved the rest along, but the stock isn't going anywhere soon!


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Here are a few pics. I have a lace up riser on it right now (not screwed on!). Let me know what you think. As always, digital camera makes it look worse than it is.
That's real good straight-grain walnut. I can tell that from the photo. Take good care of that one.

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The original M14 stocks were made by Springfield Armory. Only about 30,000 were made with the Garand style butt plate. They were replaced in late 1960 with the hinged butt plate stock.

If anyone has one of these stocks for sale please send me a PM.
Ted, I am not saying that figure is wrong, but it is the first time I ever heard the number was that high. I thought this stock was issued with the first 2,000 M14's, along with wooden handguards, and then they switched to the hinged buttplate?

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First: the stocks are T44E4, not T44.

Second: there were two different versions. The ones made for the T44E4 in 1954/55 were slightly different than the ones made for the M14's in 1959.

Third: Overton did make early 1959 stocks for somebody. I have one. I cannot be sure which contractor had them made.

SA also produced the T44E6, 57 of them, which was light weight. It never was accepted so the aluminum butt plates produced, but not used, were assembled on some early M14's. I know because I have a 1954/55 T44E4 stock with one, and a 1959 T44E4 stock with one. I found them about a year ago while digging out some parts. I forgot they had the T44E6 butt plates. They got buried in one of my buildings in the mid 1980's.

The early version T44E4 stocks (1954/55) were also assembled on some early M14 SA manufacturing, in addition to the T44E4's that were issued and used.

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Nice... Jeff from TheCollectorsSource sells these for quite some cashole...Although his are still in the VCI wrap.
Couldn't find them on his website. Not advertised?

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The folding M14 butt plate was adopted in late 1959, but wasn't produced untill later in 1960 by SA. I haven't been able to pin down the exact number of rifles produced with the old stock and M1 butt plate. The new style stocks were produced and used with a temporary rubber filler and a M1 type butt plate (do to a shortage of components) some time in 1960. I've heard estimates of anywhere from 15.000 to 30,000 rifles being produced before the new stock was put into production. Take your pick as published records are not exactly clear. Many of the changes ordered in late 1959 and early 1960 didn't make production rifles until November or December of that year. That included the gas cylinder barrel band boss and slotted hand guard. No one seems to know the xeact serial number range when any of these modifications were incorporated into production.

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So what it the consensus, early SA? I am guessing this thing is worth a few bucks, not that I am selling it, but what is an idea on that end?

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