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Old August 19th, 2005, 11:26 AM   #1
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Need help with Honor Guard rifles.

Hello, I am the Deputy Commander for Cadets for a Civil Air Patrol squadron in Tulsa, OK and we are trying to find some M-14 parade rifles for our Honor Guard. Until recently we had been using M-14's from the local National Guard unit, but for some reason they will not let us use them any more. As a result we are using "Wal-Mart Specials" that really are not up to the task. These are not too embarrassing while performing color guard duties at local activities, however they will be very embarrassing next Memorial Day. We are the only unit nation wide (other than the 3rd Infantry of course) that is authorized to perform the Changing of the Guard at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier. We perform this ceremony each Memorial Day weekend at Floral Haven Cemetery in Broken Arrow, OK. Our cadets work very hard at perfecting this ceremony and both the cadets and the ceremony deserve better rifles than what we have.

While looking for rifles online I stumbled upon this site and figured I had nothing to lose by asking you all for help. We are looking for at least 2 complete M-14's. They do not have to work. We are not allowed to have functional weapons and anything we come accross will be made inert before use. If anyone can point me in the right direction to come up with something or if anyone has any unserviceable parts laying around that could be used to built complete rifles I would be most appreciative.

Click here if you would like to read more about our squadron. The site is still under construction, but we're working on it.

Thank you very much.

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Old August 19th, 2005, 11:50 AM   #2
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Would civilian semi auto M14 clones be ok for you or are you looking

for the real deal USGI M14s only?

A couple M1As would do if that would be ok, and maybe SA inc would cut

you a deal, i dont know.

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Old August 19th, 2005, 11:51 AM   #3
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Have you checked through the US Army's DRMO program? Last time I checked (which was before the Iraq War) they had M14's available for agencies that met certain criteria.

I wish I had more info than that, but that's all I got.

Good luck and Semper Fi!

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Old August 19th, 2005, 12:10 PM   #4
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I'm only about 1.5 hours from your location ...

First question I have is exactly how many are needed here. I am assuming (Gosh I hate that word...LOL) that you will need at least two because in a color guard you will have one cadet on each end with the flags in the middle ... correct?

If so ... thats 2 for sures ...

If you also have some form of drill team that peforms you will then be needing much more than that ...

Just thinking out loud to myself here on some possible solutions ....

Can you PM me with a contact number and convenient time to call ... ???

Six Out!

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Old August 19th, 2005, 01:03 PM   #5
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Try your State Rifle and Pistol Assocation they might still have some from the CMP.

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Old August 19th, 2005, 01:08 PM   #6
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M1's might be easier to score than M14's. Heck, I've got half a rifle in worn out parts in my garage alone.

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Old August 19th, 2005, 01:25 PM   #7
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Thanks for the speedy replies guys.

The DRMO program might turn up the rifles, but we have to know the stock numbers to find them or be lucky enough to just stumble across them. Allegedly, there are even some inert M14 parade rifles out there in the DRMO system. If we only had the numbers...... There might also be some issues with getting one of our people in the door. We are authorized to use the DRMO system, but the items available to us might be restricted to communications and search and rescue equipment.

M14 clones are fine, they just need to work well enough to do a military rifle inspection, i.e. the bolt (I believe that's what it's called, I'm not much of a gun guy :oops: ) has to move. We would prefer M14's because that is what the 3rd Infantry uses, but M1A's would be OK.

We need two for a color guard detail and two for the chaning of the guard. If we had extras it would be great because then we could do multiple details at one time. This has only been an issue a few times, but it was still an issue. Our color guard has been covering for the local ANG CG since they are deployed. Very busy. I can make practice rifles out of 2x6's and bar stock if I need to, but we absolutely need 2 good rifles for use in public and 4 would be better.

Thanks everybody!

SixTGunr, you'll have PM in a minute.

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Old August 19th, 2005, 02:30 PM   #8
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cmshoot,

On the DRMO program, at least a month or two ago the M14's are no longer available. Maybe some inerts I guess, I never asked. Our color guard uses the M1 Garands, and they just have blank adapters. I went back to our state representative and asked for four M14's and she laughed. She told me many units are drawing these rifles now, and they will not be available until after the war. I could get my hands on a helicopter if I wanted one, but rifles were a no go?

I know it is kind of state specific, as I have heard of other states where it is easier, but it was a no go for us. I also tried to get some M16's for the PD and had the same answer, call us after the war. I explained I intended to be retired prior to that and not to expect a call.

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Old August 19th, 2005, 02:32 PM   #9
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To be made inert, could you just remove the firing pin and be in compliance with your regulations?

You could then probably spend less than $1200 and find a pair of Norincos or Polytechs in decent shape and remove the pins from the bolts pretty easily. Then you could always convert them back if you wanted to sell them.

I know you would rather have Springfields, but buying Chicom rifles will keep your costs down. ONly bad thing is that you'll probably have fake flash supressors.

I bought a Norinco and a Polytech that looked like exact twins on Gunbroker a few months back. I think I spent less than $1300 on the whole deal including transfer fees and shipping..

I'm probably way off base from what you need, but it's just a thought...

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Old August 19th, 2005, 02:57 PM   #10
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M14s Than M1As

If you are looking for USGI M14s in the private sector you are not going to have any luck as a M14 receiver in any shape is going to be consider a machine gun by the BATF unless it is cut in half. The rest of the M14 parts would easily cost a thousand dollars or more. Don't mean to be a downer but what you are looking for is close to impossible.

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Old August 19th, 2005, 05:36 PM   #11
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I think I remember fake movie prop M-14's for sale on ebay.

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Old August 19th, 2005, 05:47 PM   #12
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Another crazy :arm11: idea :idea: would be Air Soft... They work, feel and operate like the real deal, but only shoot 6mm plastic BB's. They're cheaper too. Cheaper than Dirt carries Air Soft type guns.

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Old August 19th, 2005, 05:58 PM   #13
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Canx C-T-D, checked them no m14's. I did find this site: http://www.redwolfairsoft.com/redwolf/airsoft/Search

It has several types including a working non-firing model priced at $600+. :arm8:

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One possibility is to find someone with a bad, out of spec receiver, damaged firing pin bridge, whatever, and get some worn out parts from us guys who shoot the heck out of our rifles, worn out barrels, etc and try to assemble two from junk parts. Maybe a pos welded op rod, maybe cheap surplus Chinese parts, soft bolts, etc. You get the idea. Any one out there with junk parts??? Let's hear it. :D

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Old August 19th, 2005, 09:57 PM   #15
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I went back to our state representative and asked for four M14's and she laughed. She told me many units are drawing these rifles now, and they will not be available until after the war
I felt that this was probably the case right now. With all the M14's that have been demilled and sold to foreign militaries, our boys are in a hurt locker for 'em now.

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