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Old August 20th, 2012, 02:15 PM   #1
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Out of Battery Slam Fire Today

After 15 years of shooting and reloading for this rifle, I blew it up this morning. Out of battery slam fire. Receiver came apart to the rear of the rear sight. Bolt is destroyed and op rod is tweaked. Near as I can figure, my once fired LC brass should have been run through a small base sizer, I think the loaded round chambered about 90% of the way, bolt and firing pin wanted to keep going and kaboom. Case head separated and turned into a frag grenade, remainder of case remains stuck in the chamber. Detonation was on par with shooting .50 BMG and taking the hardest punch ever in the face simultaneously.

So what are my options here, complete new rifle? Or some attempt at salvaging the remaining parts that appear to be undamaged on the surface, not a smith so that's why I say on the surface, I have no idea what an event like this does to a barrel and gas system.
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Old August 20th, 2012, 02:30 PM   #2
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I'm thinking your gas system should be alright since technically all/most the gases blew out the rear. The barrel could be hit or miss, probably up to you to chance it. Personally I wouldn't unless it was a high end or GI barrel, and even that would be questionable.

The bolt guts which took the brunt of the impact...probably wouldn't rely on. Even if the look alright, the shear amount of stress could have caused a lot of damage you won't see.

Small stuff like the sights, flash suppressor, etc. are probably alright.

Personally, I wouldn't do it. Epoxy the end back on, pretty it up, and put a weld in the chamber. Make it into a mantle piece.

Just my input. But if you do decide to salvage anything, get it inspected by an experienced armorer, preferably someone experienced in M14s.

But hey, atleast you're alright. That's all that really counts.

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Old August 20th, 2012, 02:30 PM   #3
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How are YOU doing? Were you injured? I hope that you are okay.

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Old August 20th, 2012, 02:30 PM   #4
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1st question, are you OK
Do you think you may have had a case separation and that jammed the next case in the chamber, and the firing pin set the round off from the bolt slamming shut?

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Old August 20th, 2012, 02:40 PM   #5
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I assume your ok? If so thank God! I have reloaded for my m1 garand and ar-15, I was thinking of doing so for my in process M14, but things like this make me think twice, since Privi Partisan ammo is not much more expensive than my handloads would be, I'm not loading for accuracy..

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Old August 20th, 2012, 02:51 PM   #6
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Old August 20th, 2012, 02:55 PM   #7
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Hope you are ok! I prefer to shoot good quality milsurp in my M1A, less expensive in the long run.

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Old August 20th, 2012, 02:59 PM   #8
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I guess you're ok since you're posting on the forum. Let's have a moment of silence for the rifle. Please post an eulogy for your dearly departed M1A. Something that covers the joy you've had since you got her.

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Old August 20th, 2012, 03:00 PM   #9
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I also hope that you're okay. That is some scary stuff there!

I wouldn't personally reuse any part of the rifle. I would chalk it up to "it wasn't my time yet", put the heel part in a baggie, attach it to the trigger guard, and hang it over the bookshelf, or mantle or something as a conversation piece, or a reminder that things can go very wrong in the blink of an eye.

I wouldn't trust the barrel, and you've already said that the bolt and op-rod are destroyed, and obviously the receiver is destroyed. What's left? The flash suppressor, sights, trigger assembly, stripper clip guide, gas system, and the stock.. Maybe a few hundred in savings? I would seriously advocate building a new rifle.

That's just my .02 on that though.

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Old August 20th, 2012, 03:02 PM   #10
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Thank God you're OK. Springfield? Never read my warranties, disclaimer for hand loads?
I use a JP case gauge. Always. If it does not drop in it goes back to the bench. I'll defer to pros for salvage advice. Just glad you weren't injured. Could have been a far worse day.

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I'm fine, thanks to all for asking. I lucked out as I was only loading the rifle at the time, didn't have my face on the stock as I would have had I been firing the rifle. I was sitting at the bench, so my face was about a foot above the explosion. I single loaded a round into the chamber, then let the bolt go, round detonated, good thing, as I still took a fair amount of shrapnel to my face and right hand, chin is sore, I believe the large chunk of the receiver hit me on the chin, got by bell rung for sure and my face looks like I took a load of bird shot from about 100 yards away.

Springfield wants to see the rifle, they sent a prepaid shipping label. They think they may be able to rebuild the rifle with a new receiver. I'll let them have a look, curious what the cost is.

So this brings to mind small base sizer dies, I currently use a Redding full length sizer, I'm racking my brain in an attempt to figure out what happened, and all I can come up with is that the LC brass is a little tougher to size and would have been a good candidate for a small base sizer? Do any of you guys use them? Should I just dump the LC brass and stick to commercial?

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[QUOTE=erickg;923967]I'm fine, than
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I single loaded a round into the chamber, then let the bolt go, round detonated,
I'm glad that you're ok also. Are you saying that you inserted a round into the chamber by hand, and then let the bolt fly forward? Or that you loaded a single round into the magazine from the breach and then let the bolt strip it off and load it into the chamber?

I just want to make sure that I understand you and what happened.

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Old August 20th, 2012, 03:21 PM   #13
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I know next to nothing about reloading but it is my understanding that slam fires can happen when using primers that aren't military grade. What kind of primers do you use?

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Old August 20th, 2012, 03:22 PM   #14
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Glad you are OK. Please read all the warnings about single loading a round and letting the bolt fly. This is a no no. Even single round loading should be done from the mag. The bolt moving over the mag assists in deceleration and helps to prevent near disasters such as yours.

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At least your okay!!!

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