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Old July 17th, 2012, 10:57 AM   #1
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T44 stock or not?

This stock listed on GB is either very rare or a total fake. Seller says itís an early T44 stock, but yet it has no selector cutout and the cut by the bolt release looks typical of SAI stocks. Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the T44 select fire? I'm thinking this is a commercial stock with a fake DAS applied.

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Old July 17th, 2012, 11:06 AM   #2
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Not a real t44 stock. Sai stock and handguard with dod stamp added. If i could just easily post them i would show a real one. I have had it since 1959

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Old July 17th, 2012, 11:18 AM   #3
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I'd like to see somebody good make some re-pop "T44" type stocks, but they'd need to be sleeker without that proud overhang at the buttplate and no fake stampings. Pass.

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Real one with pics............ http://www.thecollectorsource.com/product/T44E4

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Few seem to recall, but during the late 1980s prior to Capt. Crunch, GI m14 stocks were getting hard to obtain and M14 butt plates were through the roof on prices. SAI produced quite a few M1A rifles in stocks that used the Garand butt plate. They were commercial stocks made by Fajen as I recall. We were paying as much as $45 to $50 for a M14 butt plate assembly, a lot at that time.

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The stock is a fake.

The four or five original T44 stocks I have seen all came from NAS Crane, IN and they were all dark stained walnut and much slimmer than the fake shown. The fake does not have the age patina as well. T44 stocks tended to be rather thin walnut and actually a bit too thin for rough usage, IMO.

In the late 80’s/early 90’s, there was also a guy who came to the Southern CA gun shows with a lot of M1A stocks with Garand Buttplates that were new made, though I don’t think they were made by Fajen or Bishop. Some of his stocks were very high grade wood and were very nice, but his prices were so high that I don’t believe I ever ran across someone who actually bought the stocks. Still, his stocks were not meant to be fake T44’s and his stocks came closer than the fake in the link.

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If i could just easily post them i would show a real one. I have had it since 1959
Well, it's on a rifle but here's one (Old photos! Sorry. Need to do some better with detail.):






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Guys: The stocks you are talking about were not on T44's. They could have been on T44E4's, or early M14's. Please use the proper designation.

I will not relese the information, but I have a 1955 version, which is slightly different than the 1959 version used in production of early M14's.

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Guys: The stocks you are talking about were not on T44's. They could have been on T44E4's, or early M14's. Please use the proper designation.

I will not relese the information, but I have a 1955 version, which is slightly different than the 1959 version used in production of early M14's.
your right bill, i should have added e4, which is what i have.
mine came out of the h&r woodshop. has a slight flaw in it.
would have been burned up not for the fact i rescued it.
i do know the differece between them.

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Are there any markings on yours. Everybody assumes that the T44E4 were only SA.

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Old July 18th, 2012, 09:26 AM   #11
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are there any markings on yours. Everybody assumes that the t44e4 were only sa.
no markings, never went through inspection. I know it was made at harich. There were plenty laying around that did not make it out of the wood shop.

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I will not relese the information, but I have a 1955 version, which is slightly different than the 1959 version used in production of early M14's.
Bill- can you at least confirm or deny whether the stock in question is legit or not?

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The hand guard definitely is commercial. The stock looks commercial from the butt plate applied. The picture also shows no cut for the selector switch. With the limited pictures, it looks commercial with a possiblly fake marking.

This version of the stock is available commercially.

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