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Old April 17th, 2012, 10:16 PM   #1
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Muzzle brake alignment - Too close or good enough? [Not Fixed]

I'm using a carbon arrow shaft as an alignment tool, and it fits quite snug in the bore.

The rifle is a standard SAI 22", and the Muzzle Brake and adaptor is the Delta P Design/JP Rifles Tactical Compensator combo from 82nd's group buy.

What do you all think? Too close, or good enough.







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Old April 17th, 2012, 10:34 PM   #2
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Does that arrow flex? I have used my Dewey rod in the past. Seeing it's an arrow shaft I would imagine it's pretty straight but roll it on a table and check it. Is the rod going into the bore?

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Old April 17th, 2012, 10:37 PM   #3
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I can't tell the orientation of the rifle from the pics. Try it with the rifle perpendicular to the floor. The rod may be flexing, I know my aluminum Dewey rod does when it is on the bipod

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Old April 17th, 2012, 10:38 PM   #4
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In some of the pics it looks a little off center and in some it looks pretty good. Have you checked to make sure that it is seated properly. Some of the Delta P's go on rather tight and you may not have it seated all the way. The important thing is that the arrow doesn't touch the brake at any point.

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Old April 17th, 2012, 10:41 PM   #5
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If the clearance isn't even around the entire shaft then I wouldn't be satisfied.

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Old April 17th, 2012, 10:52 PM   #6
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I agree, you need to be sure. I just went and placed my dewey rod in one of my rifles and it has the same clearance all the way around. The dewey rod has a lot of play in it so it's not the greatest tool. It's nothing you want to chance. When you seated the comp did you seat the comp by just screwing the castle nut? You should try and tap it with a plastic hammer to see if it seats a little further.

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Old April 18th, 2012, 10:38 AM   #7
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Muzzle device alignment can be critical for a couple of reasons. The really important thing is that the gage does not touch the inside of the muzzle device. If it does, the bullet will probably hit it too.

When the bullet enters the device, gasses rush past it and have an effect on the path of the bullet. When the device is not consentric with the barrel bore, gas pressure is greater on the close side and tends to push the bullet away from consentricity. This results in sight alignment/point of impact errors which must be compensated for by readjusting the sight away from it's mechanical zero.

It can also effect accuracy since the uneven pressure will destabilize the bullet.

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looking at all the pictures theres a larger gap on the right side, i'd say your not in proper alignment based on the pictures.

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Old April 18th, 2012, 11:27 AM   #9
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I agree, you need to be sure. I just went and placed my dewey rod in one of my rifles and it has the same clearance all the way around. The dewey rod has a lot of play in it so it's not the greatest tool. It's nothing you want to chance. When you seated the comp did you seat the comp by just screwing the castle nut? You should try and tap it with a plastic hammer to see if it seats a little further.

I would try to get it more even also, before tightening the CN. dozier

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Old April 18th, 2012, 11:30 AM   #10
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What Ted said X2.



I've mounted dozens of AR 15 threaded type muzzle attachments to shortened M14 barrels, and only had a problem ONCE ...
and it was a valuable learning experience.

When you cut the threads for the muzzle attachment, make sure you use a live center in the bore and align the threads with the bore. If you try to use an external steady rest at the muzzle, turning the threads concentric with the barrel exterior rather than concentric with the bore. sooner or later you will run into a barrel that is NOT concentric with the bore.
OOPS!!!

Fortunately the only casualty this time was one slightly abused compensator.
That rifle actually shot not so bad at 25 yds ...
if you ignored the bullets hitting side ways.
[;(



PS: I've used these arrow shafts as a bore alignment tool before as well.
My arrows are .298" OD so have a small amount of play in a .300" bore.

To minimise arrow to bore misalignment,
I like to use about 6" of arrow in the bore and only a bit sticking out past the comp.
YPMMV

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I'd see how it shoots but I would think it'd be pretty easy to get it reamed and forget about it.

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Old April 18th, 2012, 09:12 PM   #12
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The diameter is already .350. There is no reason it shouldn't line up properly. I would try and find something more reliable than the carbon fiber rod.

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Old April 19th, 2012, 01:29 PM   #13
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Hey guys, Thanks for all the replies.

I'm pretty confident the carbon arrows are straight enough for this. With that said, I tried 3 different carbon arrows, each multiple times, inserting them 2-3 different ways each, at varying depths (30" arrows up to the point where the arrow was up against the locked back bolt), with the same results.

I did try various other things I had around like the Dewey cleaning rod, and that didn't work so well as both of the ones I have are not straight enough for this, and do not fit the bore as tight.

The Muzzle brake is slightly misaligned up with the arrow shaft closer to the bottom of the muzzle brakes exit. Left to right appears to be good and centered (for now).

At the current state it's at now, I don't think it will hit, but as Ted stated, I'm worried about accuracy.

I'll give it another try tonight, and post an update afterwards.

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Fixed.

Thanks guys!

A couple of light taps with a rubber hammer to coax it in the right spot while tightening the castle nut did the job. Would of been a lot easier with a third hand.





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Now that looks perfect! Great job.

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