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Old April 13th, 2012, 09:52 PM   #1
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Question Polytech M14S Rifles Suck

This is my top 10 reasons why.

1. The receivers were never hardened correctly and most of the time will not take a drop
in USGI bolt without modifing the receiver.

2. The stocks have very soft wood and look like *_*_ to boot. Don't forget a USGI stock
has to be modified to work with the Polytech connector lock or you will drop the
magazine when firing.

3. The bolts have poor lug contact and long headspace most of the time when they were
imported into the USA.

4. The hammers and trigges are also soft and fail after extented use.

5. The barrels are almost never timed right and the barrel hood sticks out past the
receiver ring.

6. The Poly has metric treads when USGI parts have standard treads. Spare polytech
parts are almost always used take off parts as new ones are not to be had in America.

7. The rear sights may or may not hold a zero because of poor workmanship and or
materials used to make them.

8. The recoil spring and guide are of piss poor quality.

9. The gas piston is not of USGI spec and you can not just use a USGI piston in a
Chinese gas system.

10. They were made with slave labor.

Myth number 1 they are not as close to a real M14 as you can get. A LRB with its forged US made receiver and of correct steal and heat treatment along with surplus USGI parts. That is the closest thing to a real M14.

True Chinese M14S rifles can be made into good rifles, but the days of cheap USGI M14 parts are over. Why waste good parts on a foreign copy.

It is true they were or are a cheap ticket into the M14 game but they are project rifles.

Myth number 2 they are all not NATO spec. when it comes to the chamber. Look at how it is marked on the receiver to see how it was specified.

Someguys love there Chinese rifles good for you and drive on. Most do not know what they are getting into when they buy them.


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Old April 13th, 2012, 11:50 PM   #6
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You stand by glock? But Polly Is kind of the Glock of the M14 world IMO...

LRB is close to the real thing? I'd say LRB is better than the real thing quality wise. Fulton or SA is like the real deal quality wise.

For the price I don't mind me a poly tech but Id love to have a LRB but am I going to dish out the bucks... nope

This is am IMO though

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Old April 13th, 2012, 11:56 PM   #7
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This is my top 10 reasons why.

1. The receivers were never hardened correctly and most of the time will not take a drop
in USGI bolt without modifing the receiver.
Perhaps this will help, it is from Lee Emersons book, maybe you should read it:
Representatives from Poly Technologies met for five days with Smith Enterprise personnel, with David Keng of Keng’s Firearms acting as translator. The Poly Technologies representatives were supplied with a set of USGI drawings for the M14.this first meeting, Poly Technologies sent raw forgings and assembled M14 rifles (Polytech serial numbers 00001 through 00005) to Smith Enterprise, Inc. for evaluation and testing. Ron Smith personally test fired these first five Poly Technologies M14 type rifles. Smith Enterprise thoroughly examined and tested the Poly Technologies receivers and rifles. The receivers were found through spectrum analysis to be made of the Chinese equivalent of AISI 8620 alloy steel, the proper material for M14 receivers.
Karl Maunz was living in Atlanta, GA when Keng’s Firearms imported Poly Technologies M14/S rifles. Keng’s Firearms supplied him with two Poly Technologies M14/S rifles for testing and evaluation. He found the receiver to be made of equivalent AISI 8620 alloy steel. The receiver material testing conducted by Smith Enterprise and Karl Maunz was done independently of each other. The Chinese bolts, however, were not made of the USGI drawing specified steel alloy.
The Smith Enterprise testing included hardness testing of the Poly Technologies receiver core by cutting it apart. One Poly Technologies receiver was tested to destruction by loading ammunition to create excessively high chamber pressure. The reader MUST NOT exceed powder charges as listed in reputable reloading manuals if hand loaded ammunition is used. Personal injury or death may occur if done so. The very first Poly Technologies receivers were very hard, harder than a file, which left them without the toughness provided by the relatively soft core of receivers made according to USGI specifications. The Chinese quickly corrected this by strictly adhering to the receiver heat treatment procedure.

Do you see the irony in Ron Smith helping correct the Chinese?
You can't drop in a USGI bolt into an LRB receiver, the bolt fit has to be done by LRB to maintain warranty, and it is far more work on an LRB than a Chinese receiver.


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2. The stocks have very soft wood and look like shit to boot. Don't forget a USGI stock
has to be modified to work with the Polytech connector lock or you will drop the
magazine when firing.
There are several versions of the M14S, some came with poor wood, alot came with very nice walnut stocks. The modification on a USGI stock is a dab of epoxy or replace the pin with a GI, either way it is not an issue.


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3. The bolts have poor lug contact and long headspace most of the time when they were
imported into the USA.
I agree, replace the bolt, however there are others who have experience that contend, shoot it till the problem shows up.

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4. The hammers and trigges are also soft and fail after extented use.
So what, put in a hammer and trigger, you need to do the same thing with SAI trigger groups.

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5. The barrels are almost never timed right and the barrel hood sticks out past the
receiver ring.
You couldn't be more wrong, I have found the "Chinese" barrels to be very nice barrels, time correctly, headspace well, and shoot tight groups.
At this point you simply are showing illusions of your knowledge.

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6. The Poly has metric treads when USGI parts have standard treads. Spare polytech
parts are almost always used take off parts as new ones are not to be had in America.

So what? The same can be said for most USGI parts, they came from take down weapons. The only part you need to keep is the gas system lock nut. You can keep the gas system or replace it with a GI gas system. Let me ask you this, when was the last time you saw a worn out gas lock? This is really a non issue.

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7. The rear sights may or may not hold a zero because of poor workmanship and or
materials used to make them.
The same can be said for any non USGI sight system. SAI has the same problem. On your LRB they used USGI till they made their own, jury is still out on those.


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8. The recoil spring and guide are of piss poor quality.

Yes the spring should be replaced, so should about every spring out there. Use Tubb silicone chrome and forget about it. I have never had a problem with the guide. Seems to me you just make up stuff to support your illusions.

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9. The gas piston is not of USGI spec and you can not just use a USGI piston in a
Chinese gas system.
So what? They work just fine. Wear it out (please let me know when you do this, I bet you can't)and replace the thing with a USGI or one of the new manufacturers out there. Again a non issue.


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10. They were made with slave labor.
Your political view, alot of things you own were made with "slave" labor. Picking on this one makes me happy. means one less person to get in my way of a GOOD product. Thank you.


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Myth number 1 they are not as close to a real M14 as you can get. A LRB with its forged US made receiver and of correct steal and heat treatment along with surplus USGI parts. That is the closest thing to a real M14.
This is just plain ignorant, no receiver in an M1A configuration is made to M14 standards. Read the above text, Ron Smith provided tech support, the Chinese got the blue prints, seems to me they did the same thing LRB has done. My experience has been the Chinese receivers are easier to build with USGI parts than the LRB. If your vaunted LRB is built with surplus USGI parts how can you than state the same parts on a Chinese receiver is a problem?

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True Chinese M14S rifles can be made into good rifles, but the days of cheap USGI M14 parts are over. Why waste good parts on a foreign copy.
Waste good parts on foreign copies? LRB sells foreign parts, SAI is built with foreign parts. The Chinese receiver built with USGI parts, which is the same built as your LRB is far less money, takes less time to build and is a better build.

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It is true they were or are a cheap ticket into the M14 game but they are project rifles.
Your LRB build on USGI parts is the exact same project. So what are you saying, the LRB builds itself?


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Myth number 2 they are all not NATO spec. when it comes to the chamber. Look at how it is marked on the receiver to see how it was specified.
Not sure you even understand what you are saying. What NATO spec are you refering to, the headspace?

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Someguys love there Chinese rifles good for you and drive on. Most do not know what they are getting into when they buy them.
After reading your top ten reasons to not like the M14S, you have shown you don't have a clue what it takes to build any M1A, let alone a Chinese one. It takes the same amount of time or less to build a Chinese M1A as it does to build your LRB. Just less money.

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So if you got asshurt over this tread I am sorry you can not afford a real American rifle. I know the newer SAI rifles are pieces of crap too..
Asshurt? Because you don't know what you are saying. I haven't laughed so hard in a long time. Please keep it up, your self importance knows no bounds.

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I started this tread to not piss on other treads. So don't piss in mine.
You started this thread to do what? Show how little you know? Perhaps justfy your over payment for a lesser quality weapon system? Just trolling to see what comes out of the wood work? What? Please explain why did you go out on a limb and try to prove how smart you aren't?
I read posts to learn, you have regurgitated half truths, opinions as facts, mixed up historical data with myths, and tried to prove what?
Please tell us what new facts data, help, or information have you provided.
Ok Ok you don't like Chinese receivers, we get it. Your reason for your dislikes are based on your opinions not real world builds.
Nice try, care to try again, I need another good laugh.
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You stand by glock? But Polly Is kind of the Glock of the M14 world IMO...
The Glock YES. All the Glock needs are real sights out of the box. The Polytech AK are one of the best AKs, but the M14S are crap out of the box. Just look up the things I point out if you don't believe me.

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jake2far How many Chinese rifles do you have? You must drink your Kool Aid with chinese sugar. I have built one Chinese rifle back when a TRW bolt was $150. I feel like I was cheated with that rifle, I would have never bought it, had I know what I do now. You know Smith makes lots of money reheat treating chinese receivers.

I do have a LRB. I bought that rifle 1 part at a time. It took me over 2 years to get it done. I am not rich but I get what I can afford with saving and working.

So What? That is not a winning response.

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I did a dumb thing once

When I was a young Marine Lcpl I took a bet from my buddies. It was $50.00 and it was a bet. How could I not except?
I was bet that I couldn't walk to " the bar" which was full of airborne Rangers, and scream at the top of my lungs, "rangers are pussies, and their ain't one of you that can kick this Marines ass" and make it out without a whooping. Well I made it out of the bar. Winning the bet. But I failed to fully think the situation fully thru. Ya see cobble stone streets and cowboy boots don't mix well! Got my 50 bucks! The hardest money I ever made and half my teeth were were loose for a couple of weeks!

I see this in such the same lite. Obviously this officer was looking to get a reaction. And if he didn't think this all the way thru. Well hear ya go!
Whoom! Splat! BAM! Now go fix yourself! We'll try again tomorrow! Just kidding! I think this is comical and just wanted tryn lighten the tone.

I don't own a poly and have only limited personal contact w them. But I know a couple of the WORLDS best armorers seam to differ from this persons opinion. Guess who's judgement I trust?

Opinions are fine no matter how wrong you may be!

I like the post myself! Definitely elicited a response! And that got us discussing the facts and I actually learned someone valuable information.


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Now let me come clean! That story was fabricated, well kind of. It wasn't in a bar it was infront a bar and it wasn't a group of Rangers. It was just a bunch of drunk fools who I quickly reminded me I was a charter member of their, drunken fool, fraternity!
Id have made it if it wasn't for them damned boots!

Seriously! If you can't find the humor in this see the post in the geedunk, " don't push the red button!"

And there has been some good info passed around hear.

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I started this tread so guys looking at buying a Chinese M14S know what they are getting into. There are known issues with these rifles. It is not a perfect rifle with a warranty or with a recourse from the manufacture. Buyer beware. A lot of good smiths will not touch these rifles with a 10 foot pole.

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Brother

Don't back down, no need to explain! You threw it out their! No can mis understand where you stand on this product.
You spoke your peace, right on. Can't blame you for bein part of PC, America that we all complain doesn't have the nuts to sleek their mind.

If that's the way ya feel so be it. You wrote your justification for your views. But ya knew you were opening a can when ya typed that headline.

No one can accuse you of not making an impact! Right on!

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More power to ya BG for speaking your mind. You have some valid points and are right but the delivery could have been a little more subtle.


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