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#1 ·
If you haven't read or seen the instructions and pictures Rojkho has shared with us, do so.., This new informative Thread, How to tighten up the gas cylinder and suppressor is a must see, really unbelievable... Art
 
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CRIKEY what a strange post. I think the only reason he posted it was to brag that he thinks brown ells is going to publish more of his drivel.


ITs been said he doesn't know how to properly position the barrel in the vise? yet he's being asked by a major distributor to write the instructions? what a story? is there anyone here that knows people at brown ells that can ask if this guys for real.
 
#9 ·
He is like a meat butcher who calls himself a Veterinarian. He can hack with the best of them. Just because you claim to do something for a long time it still don't mean your good at it.
 
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I have worked on more M1 Garands and have has to peen more barrels than I care to remember. NEVER once did I use a ball peeked hammer. I prefer using a 1/16" punch. All you need is a couple of peens on the spline tracks. Most times afterwards you need a hammer and wood block to get it on . I had one customer call me as he was furious he could not remove his gas cylinder.LOL
 
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well, I know I'm gonna be alone in my opinion, but NO kind of ridicule is ok, to me.......

I posted in his thread and will attempt to get him to engage in dialogue and explain to me why he thinks that is a viable procedure.


It s a win-win situation....if he doesn't respond, then he's FOS and if he does, then those that know better can question him about how the ball peen hammer is better.......


I's hoping we could get a full pictorial on that, with a match grade NM M14.
 
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well, I know I'm gonna be alone in my opinion, but NO kind of ridicule is ok, to me.......

I posted in his thread and will attempt to get him to engage in dialogue and explain to me why he thinks that is a viable procedure.


It s a win-win situation....if he doesn't respond, then he's FOS and if he does, then those that know better can question him about how the ball peen hammer is more procise.......


I's hoping we could get a full pictorial on that, with a match grade NM M14.

You aren't alone. I don't agree with his writing style or some of the technical techniques he uses but I also don't think it's reasonable for me to ridicule him for it. If I don't agree with someone then I say so to their face and then argue my point.

While a ball-peen hammer may look ridiculous and it may be inaccurate compared to using a punch it will accomplish the same thing. He does say that he is very careful and meticulous about the process. The purpose of a ball-peen hammer is to be able to do exactly what he says he is doing, "peen" the metal. The act of peening metal is a way to expand it and relieve stresses in the steel. A ball end spreads the metal in all directions and concentrates the force at one specific spot. A good metal smith can be as accurate at striking a specific spot as most of us are with a punch.

As for the barrel vise, I think his point was to demonstrate how the barrel would lie in the vise, not how it would be positioned on the bench while in use.

He's old school in a lot of ways and most of what he does is how it was done 40 years ago. I remember watching my dad harden steel. He would estimate the steel's temperature by the color and only quench it in dirty crankcase oil. Most of the guys doing that work today would argue that you couldn't possibly harden the steel properly unless you used an infrared thermometer and specific quenching fluids. But dad usually made steel that lasted longer than the guys that used the modern methods. More often then not, the person that ridicules the old guy's way of doing things is just showing how little they know about the work.
 
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interesting! if rojkoh would have written up what you just said rammac i would have understood more what he was doing.

my criticism is he basically said "do this, but be careful" then showed the pics.

A novice like my self with the m14 , well i just did not understand what he meant for me to do?

Your explanation makes a lot more sense.

SO is the main thing rojkoh is doing wrong as far as art and them are concenered is that he did not use a punch?

I actually want to learn from all this if possible.
 
#22 ·
I agree, he doesn't exactly attract the best in people when he writes.

Yeah, I think that most people just reacted from their gut because most of us can't use a ball-peen hammer well enough to do the job well. I also think that since most people can't use a ball-peen hammer with any kind of skill it's best to recommend using a punch.

To me the difference is that the ball-peen hammer requires skill and experience to direct the force where you need it so that the metal is moved the way you want it. The punch makes it easier to concentrate where and how you spread the metal, it's easier to accurately move the metal because you can direct the force by changing the angle of the punch.
 
#20 ·
The problem I see with the peening picture is not the choice of tool, but the lack of support below the impact area. The picture of the barrel in a vise is just random and unrelated to thread the way many of this posters threads are.

All he wants is attention and he is getting it. Mick Jagger said once "There is no such thing as bad publicity". Rojkoh has proved this by becoming one of the most recognised members on the board without enteracting with a single person.. As long as we keep posting about him he wins. I have yet to see him reply to a post or question. This helps the board; How? The only thing I see is useless chatter.
 
#21 ·
I have no problem doing things the old way. But in the case of rojkoh. He jumps into a thread and expounds on his virtues and then proceeds to either give just a little info about how to do a task without explaining it in enough detail that it would get most in enough trouble that the part would be rendered unusable or worse. There is almost always more than one way to preform most task. And allot of the time there is more than one correct method. But on the other side of the coin. If you are going to give instruction on a task, especially gun smithing. You are obligated to give complete instruction and be willing to answer questions or keep your mouth shut.

Our experts on this board will often give detailed info on how to perform certain task, but they will also tell you that there is some information that they do not feel comfortable writing down in an open forum. Either due to liability or it may be a personal method of doing a task.

I have never seen an instance on this board of one of them leaving a member hanging part way through. Even if it goes to PM or phone calls to help a person out.

rojkoh does neither up to this point.
 
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Man ya'll are ruthless! Like a Bunch of middle-aged, opinionated grumpy old men. Haha!

Glad Im In good company, I feel right at home hear!

Information is power even if it is wrong. The trick is to remain objective and take things as they come. People learn from the things they do wrong not what they do right. Now hopefully our mistakes are not to costly or painful but that how we learn. From ours or others mistakes. Even if someone suggests something that we feel could be done better atleast we have discussed the situation and turned our minds onto thinking and looking at a situation.

A guy could come up with a thousand dumb ideas and the 1001 idea could save lives or money. So should we stifle the 1000 dumb ideas and not open the opportunity for that 1 brilliant idea? I like to error on the side of caution myself.

I don't know this guy and from what y'all say his posts should be taken with a huge grain of salt and that intel is great. But again what about the 1 time we comes up w a brilliant idea and we or us gaff him off because we have judged him a fool? We all lose at that point.

Suggestion was made to send a message to this guy asking for further explanation. The post was very passive aggressive saying we could take his answers or lack there of and tryn prove he's a fool. Boy, not that your wrong in him being mistaken about his methods, but waiting like a lion to pounce on a guy may not be the most conducive to getting positive feedback and if he is wrong he's probably less likely to be receptive to learning if everyone is jumping down his throat. At that point natural reaction says he's going to defend himself no matter how wrong he may be.
Their is a lot of very good info and knowledgable people on this site and I'm sure grateful for that nice learned a great deal. But man sometimes I write, erase, re write, and erase again my posts because I get SO very pissed at some of the attitutes and attacks and want to lash out in response. Making me part of the problem not the solution.
Opinions, arguments, and dis agreements are going to happen, especially in a good ole boy club like this. But I wish we all would bite our tongs a little bit more and think about how our posts are going to be received by the other side. Is it going to be register as constructive or inflammatory? If it's inflammatory maybe we should erase our post, give it a few days and try again.
 
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Man that post almost made me sound like a left wing, tree hugging liberal! But I still stand by my post. We all have opinions, most of us fought for the right to have an opinion! That's great.
At 43 hrs old I'm finally beginning to understand the ole saying, "you catch more with honey than you do w vinegar."

Dont mis understand me when I say this please! Some of my best friends have been created after a good argument or bar fight! I have much more respect for a man who has an opinion and the balls to defend that opinion than I do for a spineless yes man or save ass! But I think, and I am learning at this point in life that the Majority of people are not like us typeA, knuckle dragers, have never been in a position where their decision impact people in life or death so they cannot and do not respond to the blunt talk and aggressive nature most of us were taught. Hell that was how a man was supposed to act and respond! Moms are the feel good cuddle me side!

Just think asking this guy a few questions about his thought prosses may lead to a better learning thread then bashing him on the head.

As stated if he doesn't respond well to that method than there to as an answer! We all know it's BS so why do we have to bash him on the head to prove he's a fool? What good comes from that?
 
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As a journeyman electrician I once had an apprentice that was very cocky and a braged. He loved to explain how in a 5 year tour in the Corps he had done more than was possible in 2 lifetimes! I listened to his crap for months until ha began to BRAG about how he has stole his wife from a "squid" how was on deployment. Bragged about how he was sitting in this guys lazyboy, drinking his beer, and eating his food when this guy returned from deployment. Boy that set me off!
I asked him if he was the "fool" who brought her here to the big PX and he explained that " some dumb sailor did that before me."
I then Asked, infront of my whole crew, where in the PI she was from and what bar she used to work at. This guy asked me why. To that I explained, " cause I think I her!" now I got the response I was looking for! This guy was pissed! He stopped spouting off at the mouth about his exploits and his ole lady BUT I created a life long enemy and I was hauled into the big bosses office to explain myself. I was put on warning about MY inflamitory comments and was told such personal attacks would not be tolerated.

Looking back I think that as a mid level boss and a fellow Marine I should have pulled this young buck aside and explained how his comment made him look like a fool and put a very negative light on the Marine Corps. Instead I chose to find the line, jump across it with both feet and make myself just as crude as he was!

Than there's the time I told a Gunny I thought he must be really good in bed because he could get into so many positions without a back bone! Again that got my point across! But what ya think happened to Sgt Bernards fitness report the next quarter? You guessed it!

One time at a weekly foremans meeting, where they were discussing the same worthless BS they had discussed the last 3 weeks, I was asked for my opinion. For once I TRIED to get out of the line of fire! I said " you don't really wanna hear my thoughts!" I was asked to explain myself and boy did I. I explained that the coffee and doughnuts on the table were great but I'd rather have water and clean porta ter for my men so I wasn't losing hours per day in man hours because my guys were looking for a clean er and water. I explained that all the lip service and ego stroking made me sick and had nothing to do with the outcome of the job, wasn't going to change the deadline, and that they had lost touch with the tip end of the speer!"
The Super was pissed! The mayors eyes were burning a hole In My head and when the super told me, " I just didn't see the big picture" I turned it up another notch by saying, " I understand perfectly! Never under estimate the power of a room full of stupid people!"

Again not one of my shining moments! Because I was valuable I didn't lose my job, atleast not until the project was complete. But I was never again asked into a meeting, and the super always went above my head to my boss when ever he had questions. Did I make my point? Sure did! But a what cost?
 
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I may do just that.

I'm not trying to defend nor Attack anyone! If you notice Art was very tactful in the way he approached this topic. I think we all get the just of what he was meaning. But he didn't bash on the guy and his post was not inflamatory in nature. Wise man!?!
That is what I am trying to get at! This guy may be an idiot, or he may just to be good at communicating. But attacking him isn't going to elicite anything positive. That's what I'm saying. As Art skillfully did we can respond to crateak a post without turning it into a personal pisskng contest.
If the guy truly is an idiot nothing we say or do is going to change that so why waist the energy proving the obvious? Obviously isn't hurting or impacting him as it seams he is consistent in his words, actions, and advice and hasn't changed. Why is that, is he wrong, is he an idiot, or has he not Sean the light because no one has tried to educate him instead of attack him?
If he's going to continue to post, write and perform work it may be in our best interest to tryn educate him before he truly does something stupid and really makes this community look stupid.
 
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I'm big on INTENT! people make mistakes, people are fallible. They crucified the last perfect guy!

What is this guys intent? Is his intent to be positive, and to further the knowledge and the shooting sports or is it to throw BS info out their I an attempt to create an unsafe situation or cause harm to the gun owning people of this country?

If his INTENTIONS are true than we need himandwe want him on our side. Maybe not as an armourer but as a happy member of this forum and the gun owning population.
If his intentions are not true than we should expose that and deal with it but ya don't have to get personal I doing it! When ya throw personal digs it discredits your own stance because it becomes personal and not an objective, statement of the facts.

As I said, Art posted, as a well respected guru, his honest professional opinion. It was not tainted with personal feelings and slander. Holds a lot of weight!
How would we all look at Art as a professional if he went off on some personal rant about how he personally felt? Me, I would have lost a lot of respect for Art! Why because he doesnot have to get personal in his response! His back ground, knowledge, and respect speak for themselves! To bring himself down to that level is grade school and un professional.
Well done Art! I myself am still trying to learn fro my own words!
Maybe the reason why I was a Sgt 3 times and guys like Art and Gus made a career and made it to the top of the food chain!
 
#32 ·
I'm big on INTENT! people make mistakes, people are fallible. They crucified the last perfect guy!

What is this guys intent? Is his intent to be positive, If his INTENTIONS are true than we need him and we want him on our side. Maybe not as an armourer but as a happy member of this forum and the gun owning population. If his intentions are not true than we should expose that and deal with it but ya don't have to get personal I doing it! When ya throw personal digs it discredits your own stance because it becomes personal and not an objective, statement of the facts.

Agreed 100%



How would we all look at Art as a professional if he went off on some personal rant about how he personally felt?
IF? Where have you been this week? LOL
 
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I have PM'd him its really a humbling experience ( I too thought it was just mob mentality ganging up on him when i first joined this board)

If you message him with something like "MR rojkoh, could you give me some more info about your post on peaning the splines on your barrel?"

his message in reply will be totally off subject. Almost as if you called him on the phone and he picks up the phone mid sentence and instead of switching gears to talk to you he just continues speaking whatever train of thought is currently moving.

Btw i would never presume to talk about another member the way i am right now about rojkoh, but if you haven't "ATTEMPTED" to converse with the fellow you don't understand that its simply not possible he will hardly acknowledge what you have asked. and never answers direct questions, everything is a cookie cutter anecdote about the book or about his notes.

I am not worried about offending him because I believe he is either:

A. Oblivious
B. does NOT take this forum seriously (more likely)
 
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