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Old February 12th, 2012, 01:07 AM   #1
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WTB Meopta scope with steel tube

I am shopping for a scope for my m1a. Like to stay under 600-800 $
Somewhere I saw on the web meopta scopes having a steel tube instead of aluminum. But it looked like all the referances were from england - like they are maybe only sold in europe. (???)
I like the idea of a steel tube for ruggedness. I also like the dragunov type rangefinding reticle. But all the meopta's I see for sale here are aluminum.

I liked the IOR M-6 model but it doesnt look like they make it anymore. I have
a russian made similar to (but poorer optics) it but they seemed to have droped their scope products in favor of night vision stuff.

The new super sniper looks good if I want to spend 1500$

I have handloaded a good load with 168 gr A-Max that make 1 hole @ 100 yds. - so I want a scope that will go out to 1000+ yds.

Dont laugh... i've considered the 8 power posp with a weaver base. I am a little frightened by not being able to look through one before I buy it - that is optical quality.? Dont see those at the shows.

Maybe a vector brand with some type of ranging reticle ?
They seem to be well liked for a less expensive glass.

I guess a 30 mm Lupold variable to go up to about 20 or 25x would be about 1000$ or more.

Anyone know about the meopta steel tubes ?

Tim

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Old February 12th, 2012, 09:04 AM   #2
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The Meopta scope you read about was probably around the time of WWII & Cold War, Meopta has been around for quite some time.

The best scopes for the M14 M1A (IMHO) are the 2-10x power range with objectives less then 40mm and over all length less then 12". Looks like Leupold has come out with something that fits the bill.

http://www.leupold.com/tactical/prod...illum-reticle/


The two scopes that I have been looking at are the Nightforce 2.5-10x and the IOR Valdata 2-12x36 35mm SPARTAN SFP TACTICAL .308 BDC. There are high dollar scopes.



Remember the USMC Unertl scope was a fixed power 10x and from what I understand, the Marines loved it.

BTW - If you find a 1000 yard shooting range, please let me know! There aren't too many of them around.

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Old February 12th, 2012, 11:33 PM   #3
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Hi Zeke !
The marine Unirtl scopes looked like they were 2 feet long and skinny. Leatherwood makes one for blackpowder that looks like it a little. I remember they had a big coil spring over the tube - was that some type of shock absorption gizmo ?

I think the meopta was one someone bought new in the last few years. cant find much on it. I think it was referenced on an english shooting forum.

I live in florida. There is only 1 1000yd range in this state. It is called Myaka city range.
I dont even know of one over 300 yds. We used to have a 1000 yd here in town but the sheriff's dept condemed the land and took the rear where the 1000 part was - and then built their own range there. ( ) of coarse one us citizens cant go !

The longest I have shot is about 600 yds - and I was using a 6-18 x 40. I think at twice that range I wouldnt want less than 18 x ( if having my druthers.... )

I have a 5 power ATN brand on it now . It has lots of good features but the glass isnt great and the central dot takes up about 3 inches at 100 yds. so its hard to do precision work with. It has a range finding illuminated reticule and a BDC cam system. They seemed to have stopped making scopes. I heard they were haveing some trouble with too many "come-backs" . It is similar to the IOR M-6 in configuration.

Too many scopes - too little money !

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Military sniper scopes aren't the best scopes in the world but they are a reasonable compromise. If you expect to shoot at people at 1000 yards then the old standard military 10x scopes will work reasonably well, but if you want to do precision shooting at long range (over 600 yards) then I would recommend picking something with a little more magnification and a slightly larger objective lens.

Too much magnification can be a detriment, not only will the image be magnified but the mirage will be magnified too and that can make precision hits hard to achieve. I like max magnifications of 15x - 20x. I also like a variable power scope, they are more complex and more prone to having problems (mechanically and optically) but when you find a high quality variable you can use it in ways that a fixed power can't be used;
  • focusing to see the mirage for wind estimates and then refocusing to take your shot
  • using higher power to be more precise while having the ability to use lower powers for a greater field of view
  • changing the magnification to enhance the brightness of the image when the weather changes or as the sun sets

As for objective lens size, I would try to stay somewhere between 44mm and 50mm. 44 is a good all around utility lens size that works well in most situations and it helps keep the weight of the scope down. 50mm is a good low light scope and it helps bring in light if you choose a scope with more than 20x magnification on the high end.

One of my favorite scopes that give you really good quality without breaking the bank is the Vortex brand of scopes. Stay away from their bottom end scopes but the PST is a nice scope. I would compare their Razor series to just about any scope of equal or slightly higher price but it is expensive. The PST series has a nice 2.5-10x44mm scope and a 4-16x50mm model that is well worth the money.

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Old February 13th, 2012, 12:36 AM   #5
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I think I am thinking along the same lines as you are ! I have a cheap 6-18 x 40. It looses resolution above about 12 x but hey, it only cost about 80$ ( an early simmons)
I have read only good things about vortex scopes. Also super snipers too. I think I would like a 30 mm tube and maybe max power to be between 15 and 20 perhaps. I have looked at the leatherwood camputers but many think being made in china is too risky. But I would like to hear from someone who has used and abused one for a while to see if it holds up AND to see if the camputer works as advertised. ( I havnt seen how they (or I) match the cam profile to the load ?????? - or maybe you dont...?)
Many seem to think the Viet Nam era ones are much better mechanicly than the new ones...

Any first hand experience on that ? ( thought someone with a handle like "lifer" might have been there done that ! :-)

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I never worked with a Leatherwood scope nor do I know anybody that has so I can't help you much.

What little I know of the scope leads me to make the observation that using calibrated cams can be good and bad. Since cams work from a predetermined trajectory there are limits to their flexibility. That and the process used to calibrate the cam sounds a little complex. All that being said it sounds like it's strong point is that it works more accurately at long range than most other systems.

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Old February 13th, 2012, 11:44 AM   #7
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Missy dog I have an old Meopta 30mm steel tube scope. I'll dig it outa the safe and let you know the details if ya want.

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Artimus 2000 w/ a European hunting reticle. 1.5-6x42. Not enough for 1000 yds. Sorry.

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Old February 13th, 2012, 11:34 PM   #9
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Thanks Spud for the trouble. All the models I see for sale here in USA seem to ne aluminum tubed.

I seem to be having trouble finding any real world folks who have or are using the leatherwood camputer scopes. I like the idea of it - I just like to hear about how well its executed. I dint think optical quality is the whole enchalata - but I would like it to be as good as a lower line burris or low end luipold at least. so you could us it at its max magnification without the resolution going out the window completely !

The search goes on !
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