M14 Forum

lord of war619 · February 3rd, 2012, 03:08 PM

disclosure: I had no part in the hacking of this receiver though i believe she can be saved so i been told

Well i bought a parts lot from a friend who picked it up from a shop that closed, its a m21 parts lot, i mainly bought it to get my hands on the m21 wood stock and krieger barrel with tE less than 1.5 and new krieger barrel, included was the 2 krieger barrels one new, m21 stock in great condition it was not harmed, m21 receiver, original nm rear sight, unitized gas system, and multiple small parts, looks like the rear lug either broke off or was shaved down on purpose, dont ask me why, the receiver looks perfectly servicable but just want to get opinions i think its too much of a project for me though, i have since sold the match barrel i was going to use and im gonna sell the m21 stock and go a different more modern approach (JAE) for my match rifle, i wasnt planning on using the receiver i had another SEI on hold for the stock, so calling experts GUS, TED, ART and the rest for opinions before i sell it, i dont want to stick someone with a unservicable receiver, i hand threaded the barrel sits at about 8 oclock, the win bolt fits like a glove and the op ride rail is tight, here are some pics

lord of war619 · February 3rd, 2012, 03:12 PM

more pics
based on the seial num its a m21 from 2001, why if the lug broke it was not sent back to SAI is beyond me, instead we had m21 neuter happen

jmoore · February 3rd, 2012, 03:18 PM

Perhaps the rear lug was removed after the front lug broke off?

lord of war619 · February 3rd, 2012, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by jmoore

Perhaps the rear lug was removed after the front lug broke off?

so what does that mean, whats your take on the receiver any input would help, i just hope im not gonna take a loss, i mainly bought the lot for the stock im not even gonna use that

jmoore · February 3rd, 2012, 03:30 PM

Since you are missing (it appears) part of the front lug, that might be best left off. The rear lug can be redone IF the welding overall didn't weaken the receiver- particularly the front. The broken lug is worrisome. jywolfe may be able to sort it. There's some few others who may very well chime in.

You could just run it as is, if it's safe.

lord of war619 · February 3rd, 2012, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by jmoore

Since you are missing (it appears) part of the front lug, that might be best left off. The rear lug can be redone IF the welding overall didn't weaken the receiver- particularly the front. The broken lug is worrisome. jywolfe may be able to sort it. There's some few others who may very well chime in.

You could just run it as is, if it's safe.

thanks, thats what i was told to just run it as a standard receiver but could have the lug rewelded if i wanted to, i think i will pass it on i have too many projects already

82nd ABN · February 3rd, 2012, 03:57 PM

Its worth something to someone out there. I wouldn't be to concerned that the lugs were removed, what I would be concerned with is if the receiver is straight and has not warped from the lugs being welded on. I recently had a nightmare,I sent a receiver out to have a front and rear lug welded on, what I got back was an $1100 paperweight. The hole for the connector lock was so out of round a connector would not go in, the half moon area where the op rod spring seats was no longer a half moon. The biggest issue was the receiver face, only about 35-45% of the barrel shoulder mated up with the face of the receiver. Live and learn, that won't happen again. It is at a doctors office right now, hopefully in time the face will be square again and I can fit a custom timed barrel on the thing.
So what I would check is if the shoulder of the barrel mates up with the face of the receiver and that all the parts fit properly. I am not very well versed on checking a receiver for trueness but it is something I would do before I sold it. Something you have to consider when putting a price on it. Oh buy the way there is someone on the forum looking to buy an M21 stock. Check the WTB section. Good luck with your project.

CNelson · February 3rd, 2012, 04:14 PM

I have a feeling that this gun(receiver) was bubba'd to fit in a sage stock...

82nd ABN · February 3rd, 2012, 04:25 PM

I was thinking the same thing, the guy probably wanted to put it in a new stock and hacked the lugs off. WHat a shame.

mrmark99 · February 3rd, 2012, 04:50 PM

Just another example of taking a $2000 rifle and making a $800 parks kit out of it. Truly Sad, I don't have an answer for it. Only advice is to, take the loss and get a new receiver, and start over, put the damaged receiver on gun broker, and buyer beware. Please state all of the "issues" when posting it, and start at a dollar.
Sounds kind of harsh, I don't mean to be, but you will always have issues with it.

lord of war619 · February 3rd, 2012, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by 82nd ABN

I was thinking the same thing, the guy probably wanted to put it in a new stock and hacked the lugs off. WHat a shame.

definite shame to mess up such a expesive rifle, but seems to function right, i dont have the tool to fully barrel it but it should time right, the bolt fits good the op rod is smooth, i will make it someone's cheap build, funny to think someone would chop the lugs off to put it in a jae, i was going to have SEI weld lugs on my new SEI receiver to use the m21 stock i have since decided to put my m21 sei build in my new Jae g3 that should be in anytime now (I HOPE) and leave my crazy horse in the usgi fiberglass stock since i like it more in the classic look anyway speaking of which here she is with a new set of trijicon glasses

lord of war619 · February 3rd, 2012, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by mrmark99

Just another example of taking a $2000 rifle and making a $800 parks kit out of it. Truly Sad, I don't have an answer for it. Only advice is to, take the loss and get a new receiver, and start over, put the damaged receiver on gun broker, and buyer beware. Please state all of the "issues" when posting it, and start at a dollar.
Sounds kind of harsh, I don't mean to be, but you will always have issues with it.

oh dont worry about me i was never planning to use the receiver, i have another SEI receiver coming i was going to have lugged and use the m21 stock, i wanted the stock more than anything the receiver came with the lot, the stock was the needle in a hay stack i wanted, the parts were bonuses didnt pay much more because of the receiver, i know i can build a cheap m1a with it its definitely buildable im able to put it together just fine, i will pass the project on since im almost have all my parts for my match build together, krieger barrel, match rear sight, SEI receiver, SEI op rod, SEI complete gas system, winchester bolt and trigger group with SEI upgrade, sadlak piston and op rod guide, and JAE g3 (soon I hope) just have to pick up the receiver, i had the spare parts to build this receiver but i axed the build to focus on the other one

lord of war619 · February 3rd, 2012, 05:37 PM

I think im gonna take it down to SEI next week if evrything is ok as it seems i will have it cleaned up and reparked and to the px it goes SUPER cheap!! dont want to take on another project finding parts gets exhausting

Gus Fisher · February 3rd, 2012, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by lord of war619

I think im gonna take it down to SEI next week if evrything is ok as it seems i will have it cleaned up and reparked and to the px it goes SUPER cheap!! dont want to take on another project finding parts gets exhausting

I think that's the best thing to do. I can not begin to give an opinion on a receiver like that without seeing it in person and even then I don't know if I could make a definitive statement. I would want to know who welded on the lugs at the minimum. If everything is generally OK, SEI could do their Melonite process on it, if required.

lord of war619 · February 3rd, 2012, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Gus Fisher

I think that's the best thing to do. I can not begin to give an opinion on a receiver like that without seeing it in person and even then I don't know if I could make a definitive statement. I would want to know who welded on the lugs at the minimum. If everything is generally OK, SEI could do their Melonite process on it, if required.

not sure onthe lugs it left the factory a m21, the parts lot came from a shop in norther AZ that closed down, the m21 is dated 2001