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Old June 25th, 2005, 02:56 PM   #1
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Out of SPEC Armscorp receivers? *UPDATE!*


I have read references to some of the Armscorp receivers acquired from SARCO in the past having rear sight holes that were not in SPEC. Does someone reading this have knowledge of the specifics? Holes too big? Too small? Too far forward? Too far back? Too low? Too high?

I will be picking up one from my 01FFL Buddy this evening and will take a rear sight assy with me for checking, but it would be nice to know, in advance, if there were a specific issue, y'know?

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Old June 25th, 2005, 04:28 PM   #2
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The main problem I had is the sight base is
not cut deep enough. The holes could be out on
anybodies receivers. Few of the problems I have seen
are such that they can't be fixed by a competent
armorer.It will cost more to build if it has a bunch of
issues though. It takes someone with the proper fixtures
to effectively judge whether it can or cannot be used.

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I have an Armscorp receiver on which the rear sight holes are too large. It lets the whole rear sight wiggle. I eliminated the wiggle by peening the base of the elevation spindle with a punch. Now the sight operates without any problems.

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Thanks for the response, 2ba ... I had time to read it last night before going over to Tom's house, but no time to respond.

No armorer will ever touch this rifle while I own it ... nothing against armorers, I just don't know any and won't be seeking any out. :D I will build it as I have my many FALs, AKs and ARs. This is my first M14.

I ordered one of the Armscorp receivers from SARCO that came barreled (Citadel ... ayup, I've read the Pros & Cons) and headspaced.

So I took some components & gauges with me so that prior to filling out any paperwork I could:

- do an eyeball check on indexing ... a close look at the chamber and attaching & lining up a FS told me it appears to be good.
- check TE&MW ... both about .302 which surprised me since I was expecting closer to ~0/0.
- do a quick inspection of the bore ... bright, shiny & new.
- check headspace with a stripped SA bolt & gauges ... pass.
- install a rear sight assy ... a bit tight, but I should be able to loosen that up slightly.

I have already found it necessary to clean-up the ReceiverLeg/TriggerHousing Spline Channel (descriptive, huh?) with a swiss file. Even out of wood, the lockup is VERY tight (the same with all 3 of my EXC-condition used USGI TG Assys), so my next step will be a little careful fitting prior to moving on to wood.

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Thanks for the response, Tommo ...

You posted it while I was crafting my update post. :D

After I attend to "tuning" the lockup, I plan on working on the rear sight ... hopefully, I will find that it is just a bit tight as my quick inspection indicated. <fingers crossed>

This whole exercise will tell me if my 2nd (and 3rd, etc) will be built around Armscorp Iron.


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Subj: I just bought an Armscorp barrelled receiver from SARCO ... Problem
Date: 6/27/2005 3:17:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time
From: Youngblood
To: info@armscorpusa.com

Good Afternoon!

I asked my "01FFL Buddy" (I only have an 03FFL) to order one of these barrelled receivers from SARCO for me.

I went over to pick it up Saturday evening. The very light heel markings are:

U.S. RIFLE
7.62 MM M14 NM
<logo>
17261

I have my rifle 95% built. Unfortunately, the only way that I can install the rear sight is to leave off the spring cover because the rear sight "deck" was not milled deeply enough to allow the front portion of the aperture to fit under the cover all the way to the front of the space. To install the spring cover, I must leave fully half or more of the aperture component protruding from the assy.

I was considering just having the deck milled down a bit, but the slightly oversized "earholes" are already slightly high relative to the "deck" since with the sight assy installed sans spring cover, only one of the two sightbase contact surfaces touches at a time (it rocks fore & back) ... so milling might fix one Issue but it would exacerbate another.

Have you by any chance developed a supply of apertures with the top-front beveled enough to fit under the spring housing? They wouldn't be any good for long-range shooting, but would probably suffice for adjustments out to, at least, acoupla hundred meters.

This is my first M14 Build ( my familiarity with M14s stems from my work with the 16 Garands in my Collection ) and I decided to try the Armscorp receiver to see if it is something worth getting more of for future builds, y'know?

Thanks ... I look forward to hearing from you.

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I have just finished grinding a bevel into the top-front of the aperture & trying it in-situ ... works fine, but I will still be interested in how Armscorp responds.

Off to polish the bevel & complete the Build ... :D


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My Armscrop is a work of art #A7033 built around 1990 don't know who or where it was built it was as new when I bought it off Mr. Gee its marked k488 on the underside of the receiver don't know what that is about. All NM work bedded USGI stock very pleased with it .

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Subj: RE: I just bought an Armscorp barrelled receiver from SARCO ... Problem
Date: 6/28/2005 2:47:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time
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THANKS FOR YOUR EMAIL. SARCO BOUGHT THIS LOT OF RECEIVERS AS SECONDS AND AS IN YOUR CASE THEY REQUIRE A LITTLE GUNSMITHING. I AM SURE YOU OR WE CAN FIX IT; BUT, I CAN'T GIVE SPECIFIC INFORMATION UNTIL I SEE THE ACTUAL PROBLEM. YOU ARE WELCOME TO SEND IT HERE AND WE WILL TAKE A LOOK AT IT. WE WOULD NOT CHARGE YOU VERY MUCH MONEY, PLUS RETURN SHIPPING. UNFORTUNATELY, WE ARE IN THE MIDST OF THE CAMP PERRY MODE AND REALLY BACKED UP UNTIL THE MIDDLE OF AUGUST. RGDS BROWN
Interesting ... I absolutely believe "Brown", but SARCO doesn't mention anything about these receivers being seconds ...


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Subj: Re: I just bought an Armscorp barrelled receiver from SARCO ... Problem
Date: 6/28/2005 3:03:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time
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Hi, "Brown"!

In a message dated 6/28/2005 2:47:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, armscorp_sales@earthlink.net writes:

" ... SARCO BOUGHT THIS LOT OF RECEIVERS AS SECONDS ... "

Blastopores![edited] They never mentioned anywhere that these were seconds. <shaking my head>

Grinding a heavy, long bevel into the front top of the aperture invisibly eliminated the problem (although long range shooting is out), but thanks for your kind offer of assistance!

One last question (assuming the answer is what I hope <grin>): Are the M14 Armscorp receivers that Numrich is selling also seconds? I do NOT want to buy another Second but I will need another receiver soon.

Thanks, Brown!

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Warnings about Sarco selling armscorp seconds receivers has been posted on this board several times this year.

I dunno man, I think I'd eat the cost of the receiver, chalk it up to experience & buy an in-spec receiver from someone else.

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Warnings about Sarco selling armscorp seconds receivers has been posted on this board several times this year. ...
<sigh> Unfortunately, I have neither come across such a warning since I arrived "in town" on the 7th nor has anyone offered up that bit'o'info in the coupla posts in which I have mentioned my on-order SARCO Armscorp barreled receiver.

I have fixed this one and I won't buy another from SARCO ... and I may file complaints against them with BBB and NJ ... I really hate it when companies pull this kinda crap, y'know?

If "Brown" tells me that Numrich is selling 1st Qual receivers, as I hope, I will use them as my future source.


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If the receiver is factory seconds, it should have been advertised as such & sold at a discount price. Sarco has advertised seconds before. I have never done business with them yet. I don't want factory seconds unless I already knew the problem and the deal was good enough. Keep us posted.

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... I don't want factory seconds unless I already knew the problem and the deal was good enough ...
There it is ...

The following is from: http://www.sarcoinc.com/rifles-receivers.html

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M14 ARMSCORP
NATIONAL MATCH RECEIVERS

SEMI-AUTO RECEIVERS -. Small lot only. Dealer price - Only... $379.50 each, 2 for $369.50 each GUN051

SPECIAL M14 BARRELED RECEIVERS - (high quality now Citadel Parkerized Barrel) Headspaced in a G.I. bolt... $487.00, 2 for $477.50 each

Your choice of markings - Standard M14NM Markings, M21 Markings (NJ Legal), XM125 Markings. Note: We have these in stock on the shelf.
At the very top of the index page there is a search function. If one were to type in the word "sarco" ..... this would bring one to find 163 hits on that word (sarco) alone. On the "second page" (as well as other pages there) there are numerous posts that refer to the possibilities of said receivers being out of spec that you are refering to. I found this information in approximately 22 seconds. Mod


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At the very top of the index page there is a search function. If one were to type in the word "sarco" ..... this would bring one to find 163 hits on that word (sarco) alone. On the "second page" (as well as other pages there) there are numerous posts that refer to the possibilities of said receivers being out of spec that you are refering to. I found this information in approximately 22 seconds. Mod
YUP! :roll:

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