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Old August 12th, 2011, 01:00 AM   #1
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Just got a 2nd M1A...now I'm confused......

I picked up a National Match M1A earlier this year and have been keeping my eye out for another since. Originally wanting an AR10 or Scout for my next 308, finding this one for $1k was a deal I couldn't turn down.

Now the confusion,
I know the first one was a National Match because the owner was very knowledgeable with all the original documents. The barrel, front/rear sights were marked with NM which could have been swapped out, but I trust him enough to take his word. After looking around, I think this could be the "Loaded" model? It seems to fit the description here: http://www.galleryofguns.com/genie/d...px?item=MA9226

The second one was also from the original owner, but he was a little bit younger and less knowledgeable. All he knows is that he paid $1800+ tax earlier this year, has about "400" rounds through it, and it has a match barrel. Prior to purchase, I noticed the "NM .062" front sight blade but didn't see the "NM" on the rear sight like my first one. Both barrels have the exact same "NM 308" stamp. It doesn't seem to fit the description here: http://www.galleryofguns.com/genie/d...?item=MA9106-5

Bore is nice and shiny with no signs of pitting and overall seems to be in great shape.

I'm just wondering what model this one is. I guess it could be a National Match and someone swapped out the rear sight post?

Anyone know exactly what models I have?

What markings and advantages does the National Match flash suppressor have on it in comparison to the standard? Both of mine look identical....

#2's rear sight:




#1's rear sight:




#2's front sight:


#1's front sight:


Both barrels:


Both flash suppressors:




Both together:


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Old August 12th, 2011, 03:31 AM   #2
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I believe if you contact Springfield with your serial number

they can look it up for you

and tell you exactly what model left the factory floor

what happened to it afterwards would be prior owner embellishments

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Old August 12th, 2011, 04:16 AM   #3
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Also, the NM versions from Springfield have factory bedded stocks which is a clue.

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Old August 12th, 2011, 04:41 AM   #4
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+1 for calling Sprigfield Armory.

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Old August 12th, 2011, 05:54 AM   #5
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You have two Loaded Standard model M1A rifles. The National Match M1A models (NA9102 and NA9802) have a hooded rear sight aperture and a bedded walnut stock. Both of your rifles lack those features. Your rear sight apertures and front sights are commercial manufacture.

This is a common question, how to tell the difference between a Loaded Standard and a National Match M1A. First thing to look for or ask about is, "Does the rifle have a bedded walnut stock?" The second question should be, "Does the rifle have a hooded rear sight aperture?" Don't get hung up on the "NM" markings.

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Old August 12th, 2011, 06:24 AM   #6
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You have two Loaded Standard model M1A rifles. The National Match M1A models (NA9102 and NA9802) have a hooded rear sight aperture and a bedded walnut stock. Both of your rifles lack those features. Your rear sight apertures and front sights are commercial manufacture.

This is a common question, how to tell the difference between a Loaded Standard and a National Match M1A. First thing to look for or ask about is, "Does the rifle have a bedded walnut stock?" The second question should be, "Does the rifle have a hooded rear sight aperture?" Don't get hung up on the "NM" markings.
Different is right. looks like you have two MA9226's. Loaded M1A's with black synthetic stocks. Both have NM Barrels, NM NON HOODED APERTURES which means that they have a smaller hole to look through than a standard would but without the hood so you dont have the 1/2 MOA adjustment for elevation. Both Rifles should be adjustable for 1/2 MOA per click windage. To check look behind the windage knob at the 6 o clock position between knob and reciever there will be a shiney ball bearing.

NM rifles woudl be bedded as mentioned before and would have a walnut stock. Whenever you get ready to buy and arent sure what you get the serial and make a quick call so SA to find out what it is. A national match is about $2000 and a Loaded would be around 1600 so a pretty good difference in price.

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What kind of flash suppressor is on the scoped rifle in the last photo?

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Genuine National Match should also have the gas cylinder unitized, while the Loaded will not. HTH


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Old August 12th, 2011, 03:24 PM   #9
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National Match or not you got a good buy at 1,000.00. All you need to do is glass bed, and ad the hooded sight. Then you have National Match. If not the loaded shoot very good.

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Thanks for all the help guys. I'll give the guys at Springfield a call on Monday and let you know what they say.

I shot the new one on Saturday and got a pretty nice group at 100 yds.


Mack: The flash suppressor is a YHM Phantom M14 Q.D. with sight base.

Does anyone know the difference between my 2 rear sights besides having NM/checkering on one of them and what the difference between a regular and "match" muzzle flash is?

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The 'match' flash hider is reamed to a larger diameter than the standard.
Looks to me like one standard aperture and one NM aperture. NM is a smaller diameter aperture.

Question (OryGunner) - when SA commercial unitizes the gas cylinder do they screw & glue or do they weld? I thought SA commercial would be welded, at least recently. I have an old one (Glen Nelson 1982) and that one is screw & glue.

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Question (OryGunner) - when SA commercial unitizes the gas cylinder do they screw & glue or do they weld? I thought SA commercial would be welded, at least recently. I have an old one (Glen Nelson 1982) and that one is screw & glue.[/QUOTE]



I think in days past they, SAI used the screw and glue and the current ones are welded on the inside.

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Old August 14th, 2011, 10:35 AM   #13
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The photo I posted is of a factory SAI National Match manufactured app. 12 years ago. Can't say from personal experience what their current method of unitizing might be.

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You did get a deal at that price.

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