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Old March 31st, 2011, 09:41 AM   #1
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A Fantasy Garand?

I am thinking about something a little out of the box for building an M1. The problem I’ve faced so far is the absolutely shocked response I’ve gotten from several Garand builders/experts when I mentioned my ideas.

What I was thinking of doing was having someone build for me an accurate M1 using:
1. Fiberglass/synthetic stock;
2. Upper handguard replaced with an Ultimak rail, keeping the standard iron sights as back up.

Is there any reason an M1’s accuracy couldn’t be enhanced with a synthetic stock? Is there a problem inherent with this? I can’t see why considering the military was working with aluminum M1 stocks just prior to putting the Garand to bed for good. Second, having an upper handguard/rail with a long eye relief scout scope on it would certainly enhance load development, as well as make it an even better hunting rifle, not to mention a conversation piece at local ranges (not that that’s important ).

I already have several great steel and wood M1s, so I’m looking at doing something different. Anyone try these mods?

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Old March 31st, 2011, 09:45 AM   #2
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I've seen a few like that... I don't know why it should be so shocking. Synthetic stocks for the M1 have been around for many years, as has the scout scope mount. Go for it, I say.

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Old March 31st, 2011, 09:48 AM   #3
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An option would be an Amega Ranges upper rail.

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Old March 31st, 2011, 11:40 AM   #4
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I've seen a few like that... I don't know why it should be so shocking. Synthetic stocks for the M1 have been around for many years, as has the scout scope mount. Go for it, I say.
The first response was you'd of thought I'd asked to borrow his wife. The second response was a genuine and puzzled "Why?", so obviously there is some push back at large to the idea of a synthetic stocked M1. Still, I think there's an advantage to it.

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Old March 31st, 2011, 01:46 PM   #5
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Old school M1's are my favorite, I was thinking of doing something along the same lines with one of mine, but I have pretty well changed my mind.

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Old March 31st, 2011, 02:05 PM   #6
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I have two 7.62mm Obermeyer barreled M1s in laminated stocks, the accuracy in both rifles is at par with my McMillan stocked M1As.

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Old March 31st, 2011, 04:45 PM   #7
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I think that the limiting factor for accuracy with the M1 (when compared with other semi-autos) is the oprod & gas cylinder.
Having the long & marginally supported oprod is bound to result in some uncontrolled movement & vibration that will hurt accuracy. The M14 design is superior in this regard.

I don't think that stock material & design will make an 'accuracy' difference compared with a properly fitted & bedded and 'weather proofed' wood stock.

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Old April 1st, 2011, 10:06 PM   #8
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I would not consider the Garand a sniper rifle these days and it sounds like you wany a good hunting rifle so go with that theme in mind and see what happens, save the old parts and you can always go back to day one.




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Old April 8th, 2011, 05:31 PM   #9
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Since we're talking fantasy Garand's here, how about an EBR style stock made for the M1.

Now that would be interesting...

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Old April 8th, 2011, 06:21 PM   #10
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Since we're talking fantasy Garand's here, how about an EBR style stock made for the M1.

Now that would be interesting...
You mean like this?

http://securityarms.com/20010315/gal.../3200/3272.htm

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Is that for real?

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Holy cow. It is real. I bet the EBR stock is spendy.

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Old April 8th, 2011, 07:17 PM   #13
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I wouldn't be averse to a synthetic stock on a Garand, much for the same reasons I like a synthetic stock on my M1A ( namely weather-resistance). In a "working" Garand of course, say hunting or even a defensive rifle.

For display or just informal plinking, wood stock all the way.

Here's a look at a synthetic-stock Garand courtesy of Oleg Volk: http://www.a-human-right.com/garand.html

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Old April 8th, 2011, 07:41 PM   #14
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There ya go. Various manufacturers have turned out synthetic stocks and handguards, some of them pretty good. I think McMillan even made one back there somewhere, when Gale was alive. You don't have to go full EBR to slap a scope/sight rail on the barrel and use a EER optic. I wish I could remember the name of that company that made the very stiff & sturdy black synthetic stocks for Garands not too many years ago. I remember they fit good. **** Came back to me, Bell & Carlson ****


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Since we're talking fantasy Garand's here, how about an EBR style stock made for the M1.

Now that would be interesting...
http://www.sageinternationalltd.com/si/access/ebr.html

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