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March 31st, 2011, 09:41 AM
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#1 | | Automatic Rifleman
Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Deep south
Posts: 153
| A Fantasy Garand?
I am thinking about something a little out of the box for building an M1. The problem I’ve faced so far is the absolutely shocked response  I’ve gotten from several Garand builders/experts when I mentioned my ideas.
What I was thinking of doing was having someone build for me an accurate M1 using:
1. Fiberglass/synthetic stock;
2. Upper handguard replaced with an Ultimak rail, keeping the standard iron sights as back up.
Is there any reason an M1’s accuracy couldn’t be enhanced with a synthetic stock? Is there a problem inherent with this? I can’t see why considering the military was working with aluminum M1 stocks just prior to putting the Garand to bed for good. Second, having an upper handguard/rail with a long eye relief scout scope on it would certainly enhance load development, as well as make it an even better hunting rifle, not to mention a conversation piece at local ranges (not that that’s important  ).
I already have several great steel and wood M1s, so I’m looking at doing something different. Anyone try these mods?
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March 31st, 2011, 09:45 AM
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#2 | | Lifer
Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: mountain west
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I've seen a few like that... I don't know why it should be so shocking. Synthetic stocks for the M1 have been around for many years, as has the scout scope mount. Go for it, I say.
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March 31st, 2011, 09:48 AM
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#3 | | Moderator
Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: NC Florida
Posts: 10,132
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An option would be an Amega Ranges upper rail.
HH
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March 31st, 2011, 11:40 AM
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#4 | | Automatic Rifleman
Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Deep south
Posts: 153
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Originally Posted by 1KPerDay I've seen a few like that... I don't know why it should be so shocking. Synthetic stocks for the M1 have been around for many years, as has the scout scope mount. Go for it, I say. | The first response was you'd of thought I'd asked to borrow his wife. The second response was a genuine and puzzled "Why?", so obviously there is some push back at large to the idea of a synthetic stocked M1. Still, I think there's an advantage to it.
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March 31st, 2011, 01:46 PM
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#5 | | Lifer
Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: AR,USA
Posts: 3,339
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Old school M1's are my favorite, I was thinking of doing something along the same lines with one of mine, but I have pretty well changed my mind.
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March 31st, 2011, 02:05 PM
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#6 | | Old Salt
Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Austin, TX
Posts: 1,416
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I have two 7.62mm Obermeyer barreled M1s in laminated stocks, the accuracy in both rifles is at par with my McMillan stocked M1As.
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March 31st, 2011, 04:45 PM
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#7 | | Platoon Commander
Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Endwell NY
Posts: 548
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I think that the limiting factor for accuracy with the M1 (when compared with other semi-autos) is the oprod & gas cylinder.
Having the long & marginally supported oprod is bound to result in some uncontrolled movement & vibration that will hurt accuracy. The M14 design is superior in this regard.
I don't think that stock material & design will make an 'accuracy' difference compared with a properly fitted & bedded and 'weather proofed' wood stock.
Jay Kosta
Endwell NY USA
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April 1st, 2011, 10:06 PM
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#8 | | Snappin In
Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Nevada
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I would not consider the Garand a sniper rifle these days and it sounds like you wany a good hunting rifle so go with that theme in mind and see what happens, save the old parts and you can always go back to day one. Quote: |
The ultimate weapon runs on water, everything else runs on oil
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April 8th, 2011, 05:31 PM
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#9 | | Grunt
Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Davidson, NC
Posts: 101
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Since we're talking fantasy Garand's here, how about an EBR style stock made for the M1.
Now that would be interesting...
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April 8th, 2011, 06:21 PM
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#10 | | Designated Marksman
Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Texas
Posts: 694
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Originally Posted by nbkky71 Since we're talking fantasy Garand's here, how about an EBR style stock made for the M1.
Now that would be interesting... | You mean like this? http://securityarms.com/20010315/gal.../3200/3272.htm |
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April 8th, 2011, 06:44 PM
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#11 | | Platoon Commander
Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: SW Washington State
Posts: 428
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Originally Posted by mack7.62 | Is that for real?
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April 8th, 2011, 06:51 PM
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#12 | | Platoon Commander
Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: SW Washington State
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Holy cow. It is real. I bet the EBR stock is spendy.
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April 8th, 2011, 07:17 PM
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#13 | | Automatic Rifleman
Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: NC
Posts: 150
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I wouldn't be averse to a synthetic stock on a Garand, much for the same reasons I like a synthetic stock on my M1A ( namely weather-resistance). In a "working" Garand of course, say hunting or even a defensive rifle.
For display or just informal plinking, wood stock all the way.
Here's a look at a synthetic-stock Garand courtesy of Oleg Volk: http://www.a-human-right.com/garand.html |
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April 8th, 2011, 07:41 PM
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#14 | | Lifer
Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Austin, TX, USA
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There ya go. Various manufacturers have turned out synthetic stocks and handguards, some of them pretty good. I think McMillan even made one back there somewhere, when Gale was alive. You don't have to go full EBR to slap a scope/sight rail on the barrel and use a EER optic. I wish I could remember the name of that company that made the very stiff & sturdy black synthetic stocks for Garands not too many years ago. I remember they fit good. **** Came back to me, Bell & Carlson ****
Last edited by bd111; April 9th, 2011 at 07:01 AM.
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April 8th, 2011, 08:23 PM
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#15 | | Old Salt
Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Kentucky
Posts: 1,461
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Originally Posted by nbkky71 Since we're talking fantasy Garand's here, how about an EBR style stock made for the M1.
Now that would be interesting... | http://www.sageinternationalltd.com/si/access/ebr.html |
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