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Old November 1st, 2016, 07:36 PM   #1
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My first 8 clips of M1. Mixed Greek ball and Federal M1 Garand ammo. Shooting at a 4 inch gong at 200 yards, and hit it 10-15 times of 54 with 69 year old eyes. It was a function test on my first M1, a '52HRA, '65 Anniston rebuild, that looks un-fired. It was built when I started school, and rebuilt when I graduated(cool?). Anyway, here's a question: On 3 of 8 clips, the 6th round hung up above the chamber while feeding. When cleared(one went in with a shove on the charging handle), rounds 7 and 8 fed just fine with all clips(CMP). The clips ejected fine. Also, the brass is spread from directly in front to my right, 3 feet in an arc. Almost all the case mouths are out of round. What's wrong, if other than it's an almost new rifle?
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Old November 1st, 2016, 08:13 PM   #2
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Sounds like a clip problem. Why not take those 3 out of service. Then you'll at least know if it's the rifle or clip. I've had a few Greek clips that were temperamental because of the heavy parkerizing.

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Old November 2nd, 2016, 08:55 AM   #5
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You need to look a the ammunition and en bloc clips that you are using. They may be causing your problems.

If the surplus HXP is 1970 or older, it will have a small extractor groove cut on the cartridge case, any HXP newer than that or commercial Federal casings will usually have the larger or "NATO" extractor groove cut. Some en blocs, L&H, JMO or older CMP en blocs simply will not feed the cartridges with the small groove extractor cuts reliably.

That being said, some en blocs will not work reliably with any ammo due to heavy parkerizing as Douglas Haig stated or they just may be out of spec. The advice to not use the en blocs that seem to be giving you a hard time is good advice.

Generally I have found that USGI en blocs, both WW II and Post War work fine. I have also had good luck with current AEC 3 en blocs.

As far as the case mouths being out of round after firing, this is normal on my rifles and goes away during resizing.

HTH.

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Old November 2nd, 2016, 03:33 PM   #6
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It is normal for the mouths of the brass to be dented/d shaped
Some report problems with the commercial CMP enblocs
Did you properly grease the rifle? They are usally sent dry from CMP and need to be completly dissasembled and properly greased
Take a look at the op rod spring. It should be free of bends or kinks and measure between 19- 20 1/4 inches long. Replace it if it is out of spec with spring from Orion 7 or Garandgear

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Old November 2nd, 2016, 05:16 PM   #7
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The rifle was cleaned, but cranial rectal inversion pre-empted clip inspection/cleaning prior to the range day. I will clean, inspect and cull clips that malfunction. Thanks guys. BTW, what a fierce, flying, f#%@&ng blast!!! The heavy M1 eats up recoil, which is much less than my plastic Scout. I can see needing a regular M1 fix. Now, CMP needs to get another boat load of cheap ammo.

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On the CMP boards a guy is offering a can of 69 LC on clips for $225.

That would increase your ammo, provide usgi clips, and great brass for reloading.

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Old November 3rd, 2016, 03:14 PM   #9
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Handloading is the answer for even greater accuracy. The overall results are a hell of a lot better, too.

Cannelured 150-grain service bullets are not even close to optimum. The 1 turn in 10" rifling is, in fact, a carryover from MUCH heavier bullets in the 19th century. Most serious shooters use 165-180 grain projectiles, and I common shot long range with heavier than that.

My .308's all shoot MOA or better (when someone with better eyes than mine is shooting, that is) and the .30's are only slightly behind.

They won't do that with "service" ammo.

Even when I shoot 150-grain stuff, it is NOT cannelured service ball. The GMX all copper has worked nicely for me out to 200 meters.

And greasing and keeping the chamber clean and OIL-FREE solve many problems before they happen.

Most recent issues with feed and early clip dumping have been due to inferior clips, clip latches, and worn/distorted bullet guides. Out-of-specification reproduction clip latches sometimes break, sometimes distort, and I've also had them too long and too short.

Also, stock fit--TIGHT stock fit in the receiver area, free floating up front--contributes mightily to overall accuracy.


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On the CMP boards a guy is offering a can of 69 LC on clips for $225.
If he bought that spam can of clipped ammo in the NS or SS, he paid something like $115 for it. The NS sold out of spam cans this past Saturday (11/12).

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If he bought that spam can of clipped ammo in the NS or SS, he paid something like $115 for it. The NS sold out of spam cans this past Saturday (11/12).
Forgive my ignorance: What is "NS or SS" please?

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Heavily Parkerized clips should be thrown into your cartridge case tumbler for 5 minutes or so. That should solve most of that problem and much improve reliability. I can salvage approx 2/3 of the malfunctioning clips that way. Beats tossing them.

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Forgive my ignorance: What is "NS or SS" please?
NS = North Store; SS = South Store. Both are CMP stores.

The NS is located at Camp Perry in Port Clinton, Ohio, where the National Pistol & Rifle Matches have been hosted since 1907.

Ohio is, of course, the state which has given birth to the best marksmen in the world, and it's also the state that led Mr. Trump to the White House - thereby securing the Second Amendment for at least four more years.

You can thank us later.

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