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Old September 20th, 2016, 07:59 PM   #1
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M1 CMP Special Range Report

Hey Folks,

I had a couple gents here give me some great suggestions for a starting point for loading up my new Garand. Here it is pictured below:



Last time out on the range I got a group developed, but the best I could do was 50 yards as my targets were near impossible to see at 100 yards or beyond. Anyway, I went out today with new targets and tried my luck at 100 yards and this is what I came up with:



I do have a question...and, I think I already know the answer, but I'll ask anyway. I shot the original clips today that came from CMP, and some new 5 rounders. Both clips I used had issues where the bolt occasionally would not strip a fresh round from the clip. Do I need new clips or do I have another issue?

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Old September 20th, 2016, 08:36 PM   #2
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It may very well be the en bloc clips that you are using.

See if you can get some USGI en bloc clips.

You should also be aware that some en blocs are made for cartridges with wide extractor grooves. They do not work well with the older style narrow extractor grooves that are found on some cartridges.

Make sure, I think you probably already know, that your rifle is properly lubricated. New CMP Specials are like any other "new" rifle, it is normal to fire some "break in" rounds to break the rifle in.

If the problems persist, do not hesitate to contact CMP Customer Service, they are excellent and will stand by the rifle.

By the way, nice group!

HTH.

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Old September 20th, 2016, 09:50 PM   #3
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It may very well be the en bloc clips that you are using.

See if you can get some USGI en bloc clips.

You should also be aware that some en blocs are made for cartridges with wide extractor grooves. They do not work well with the older style narrow extractor grooves that are found on some cartridges.

Make sure, I think you probably already know, that your rifle is properly lubricated. New CMP Specials are like any other "new" rifle, it is normal to fire some "break in" rounds to break the rifle in.

If the problems persist, do not hesitate to contact CMP Customer Service, they are excellent and will stand by the rifle.

By the way, nice group!

HTH.
Yep, greasing was the first thing I did prior to going to the range. It just bums me out potentially having a bucket full of clips that suck. Oh well...After reading several posts here it seems like the M1 is pretty picky for the USGI clips...

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Nice rifle you have there.

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Old September 20th, 2016, 10:11 PM   #5
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Thanks delong. I'm really happy with it. I hope to bag a deer with it this season!

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Old September 20th, 2016, 11:07 PM   #6
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Sweet.
Pretty rifle.
Splendid group there.
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Old September 21st, 2016, 06:49 AM   #7
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I wouldn't complain about a group like that out of a new, unbroken in rifle. Heck, I wouldn't complain about that from any rifle-good job. Maybe the clips but haven't had any problem with the CMP clips that I've used in my .308 CMP Special after a couple hundred rounds down range. Let her wear in a bit then maybe talk to CMP. If it's the rifle, they will take care of you-good people there.

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Old September 21st, 2016, 07:04 AM   #8
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outstanding shooting. like some others said keep shooting the rifle & see what happens. good luck.

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I recall a thread speaking of needing to burnish some CMP enblocs that had heavier than normal phosphate. If yours are like that maybe buff them a bit on the inside where they engage the brass (tumble) or a VERY light or dry lube. Just a guess. Enbloc clips are about a $1.

(My apology to the entire forum, especially the moderators and admin, for my including the suggestion of a price ($1 enbloc) for an item that may or may not be for sale in the secondary market. I will self ban for the next twenty minutes.)


PS - great group

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I recall a thread speaking of needing to burnish some CMP enblocs that had heavier than normal phosphate. If yours are like that maybe buff them a bit on the inside where they engage the brass (tumble) or a VERY light or dry lube. Just a guess. Enbloc clips are about a $1.

(My apology to the entire forum, especially the moderators and admin, for my including the suggestion of a price ($1 enbloc) for an item that may or may not be for sale in the secondary market. I will self ban for the next twenty minutes.)


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Nope, no reason to self-ban. After market, good quality en blocs can be had for a $1.00 and under depending upon how many you buy. USGI can be had at higher prices, depending upon whether or not you want WWII or Post War Vintage, but they are still reasonably priced unless they fall into collector status.

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I'm going to try and tumble the clips I have first and see if that helps...maybe save a buck or two and the hassle of ordering more.

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I'm going to try and tumble the clips I have first and see if that helps...maybe save a buck or two and the hassle of ordering more.
Great idea, I usually do that with some of the CMP en blocs and the L&H Italian en blocs that come with the later year HXP rounds. Like I said before, keep an eye on the size of the extractor groove cuts on the casings that you are using. Some CMP en blocs will simply not work with the older smaller extractor groove cut cases. The large extractor groove cut casings are usually NATO class casings like those found on 7.62X51 cartridge cases.

Current manufacture PPU 30.06 made for the M-1 Garand have the smaller type extractor groove cut. They will not work with my CMP-3 en blocs, JMO or L&H enblocs.

Keep us posted!

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Old September 21st, 2016, 04:49 PM   #14
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Like others have said, find other clips and try it on. Grease well on the tracks in the receiver where the enbloc rolls. Also, if all else fails, it could be a timing issue. It will involve a timing tool to check. I suspect changing clips and look for stock fit issue should fix most new 308 m1 problems you have.

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Old September 21st, 2016, 09:40 PM   #15
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Nice rifle. Garands are fun to tinker with and at the same time can be very exasperating. But when you get everything figured out and they will shoot great, they are a fun rifle to shoot. Keep trying and good luck

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