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Old September 13th, 2016, 07:06 AM   #1
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Cmp sg lead???

I got two SG's from the CMP yesterday, and both have orange triangles(LEAD?) on the grip. One is a SA and the receiver has D28291 82 B 2 4YY and a triangle on the receiver. It has S-A-7-51 and a grenade with fuse stamp on the barrel('51 rebuild?).(SN 2,609,)

The other is an H&R. It has D-6528591 stamped on the receiver with an A-4 12-64 written by hand. The barrel is SA6535-5488 9-64 Y57 PM. (SN 4,694,)Any info would be great.

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Old September 13th, 2016, 07:09 AM   #2
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Sorry, I wrote "...4YY and a triangle..." and meant "...4YY and a DIAMOND"...".

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Old September 13th, 2016, 07:25 AM   #3
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They are arsenal rebuild stamps I believe. The triangle signifies the stock was part of a rifle rebuild from Letterkeny arsenal.

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They are arsenal rebuild stamps I believe. The triangle signifies the stock was part of a rifle rebuild from Letterkeny arsenal.
You're darned lucky to have pulled an SA LEAD rebuild. I have an HRA LEAD, but would love to own an SA, too. I'm not saying there aren't plenty out there or that they are worth more (I don't think they are), but I don't have one. Haha.

Looks like the SA was rebuilt at Letterkenny Army Depot in July 1951. The serial number indicates the rifle was built sometime during WWII.

The HRA is much like the one I have. Yours appears to have been one of the early HRA's built in 1953-54. It was rebuilt in December '64 and they put a brand new SA September 1964 barrel on it.

I have never gotten a satisfactory answer as to why they were rebuilding M1s as late as '64-'65. I would imagine that rifle didn't see much use, if any. The SA could have seen more, and probably did, though you never know. I have an '45 SA that was rearsenaled in 1949. The stock is banged up pretty good, but the neck/throat erosion is minimal.

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Need to post up some pics of these rifles!

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Old September 13th, 2016, 09:38 AM   #6
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Lot of SA HRA LEAD rebuilds being shipped from the CMP the past few weeks. check out the CMP forum for a vast amount of info.

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I have never gotten a satisfactory answer as to why they were rebuilding M1s as late as '64-'65.

I think they were looking at arming all of SE Asia to fight the "Yellow Hoard" and stop the "Domino Effect". They were also looking at Castro taking over all of South and Central America, and needing to arm all the "friends" we could buy.

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Don't they need LEAD and date on the receiver tang to be LEAD rebuilds. The only one with ecthed markings is the H&R which has A-4 and 12-64.

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I have never gotten a satisfactory answer as to why they were rebuilding M1s as late as '64-'65.

I think they were looking at arming all of SE Asia to fight the "Yellow Hoard" and stop the "Domino Effect". They were also looking at Castro taking over all of South and Central America, and needing to arm all the "friends" we could buy.

We were still using M1s in ITR in the Marine Corps in 1966. Rife I was issued looked brand new.

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Don't they need LEAD and date on the receiver tang to be LEAD rebuilds. The only one with ecthed markings is the H&R which has A-4 and 12-64.
Ok, I guess I misread your original post. I thought you said the SA had the LEAD etching. If it doesn't, it probably isn't LEAD. I wish I could see a picture. POST SOME!!! What color is the parkerization? LEAD has that unmistakeable silvery park.

As to the "S-A-7-51", I'm not sure. Could it be a Springfield Armory rebuild? San Antonio Arsenal? I have a stock with a stamp "C-SAA" and I was told that "SAA" is San Antonio Arsenal. I don't know if Springfield Armory did rebuilds.

Mine definitely has "LEAD" and the date etched into the receiver leg. Your SA may have been rearsenaled elsewhere. I am only guessing that it was at some point because it has a newer barrel than the receiver is. CMP may have put the LEAD stock on it themselves. All possible.

Does it have any other markings on it?


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Old September 13th, 2016, 01:53 PM   #11
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Letterkenny was rebuilding rifles as late as May of 1969 because that's when mine was rebuilt.

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Old September 14th, 2016, 09:48 AM   #12
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Your A-4 is an Anniston rebuild married to the Letterkenny stock likely by chance or the CMP.
I love Anniston rebuilds, they can have BA-4 also on receiver and should have A4?stamped on stock.

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Ridgerunner79: "I have never gotten a satisfactory answer as to why they were rebuilding M1s as late as '64-'65."
"I don't know if Springfield Armory did rebuilds."

I have a brand new looking unissued rebuild that I acquired from an individual seller at a gun show in Salt Lake City in about 1983. I felt that it came from the CMP/DCM, but had no documentation. The rifle was originally manufactured by the Springfield Arsenal in November of 1943. It now has a "SA" barrel dated "11-65". On the right side receiver leg is an electropenciled "SA" and the date "12-65". It is a Springfield Arsenal re-build. I knew nothing about these until I read an article in the "American Rifleman" several years ago. That article mentioned that there was a large refurbishment program during that time period readying Garands for use in Viet Nam. It also mentioned how to tell if the re-build was done at the Springfield Arsenal. (I recently sold my Lend-Lease Springfield Garand, but this one I'm keeping.) The stock is double-proofed, the most recent having a serifed "P" within a circle. I had no idea of the rifles pedigree and feel very lucky to be its steward.


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Don't they need LEAD and date on the receiver tang to be LEAD rebuilds. * * *
Bingo.

My LEAD is a Winchester with a '43 receiver, Winny bolt, and a 1965 SA barrel.

"LEAD" is etched on, or just above, the receiver leg. Looks to be a 6/65 rebuild.

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Old September 15th, 2016, 06:35 PM   #15
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They were training armorer's as the Nam war cranked up. That's why you'll find quite a few overhauled M1's with mid-sixties electric pencil dates.

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