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Old April 13th, 2016, 02:20 PM   #16
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So I guess there's a chunky credit card transaction on my account now too. Well let's not dwell on that.
Don't get too frisky with your trigger finger with mag dumps, it puts a smile on yer face and frown in yer wallet

You will soon understand why i'm searching for a somewhat accurate cheaper 150 gr FMJBT "plinker" load...

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A M1 Garand with no modifications shooting ball ammo should get you at least 4 MOA.
At 500 yards that is 20 inches--the width of a persons chest. That what they are designed for--anything farther and it's kind of hit & miss. Beyond 500 yards to make consistent shots get out the sniper rifle.

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Old April 13th, 2016, 06:10 PM   #18
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A M1 Garand with no modifications shooting ball ammo should get you at least 4 MOA.
At 500 yards that is 20 inches--the width of a persons chest. That what they are designed for--anything farther and it's kind of hit & miss. Beyond 500 yards to make consistent shots get out the sniper rifle.

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My club has a 600 yd range and my plan is to try my Garand at 600 before I remove the scope and revert back to irons. My eyes are really bad and I need an optic to clearly identify my target board #. Once I find a good 168 load i'll give it a shot at a standard MR target.

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Old April 28th, 2016, 06:43 PM   #19
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American Eagle makes a load specifically for the M1 Garand.
It is a 150 gr FMJ and works great in my M1.

It says "for the M1 Garand" on the box.

It is not a match load but shoots very well.

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I realize this thread is over a month old, however I just did some work on a .30-06 CMP special. Epoxy bedded with proper tension, screwed handguard to band, relieved lower band and stock ferrule for op rod clearance, clearance between gas cylinder and upper band and trigger job. With 175 gr. Sierra handloads, this rifle shot 3 shots into 3/4" group at 100 yards. I was pleasantly surprised by this CMP Special, so was the owner.

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Old May 18th, 2016, 04:03 PM   #21
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Thanks for all the feedback. Sounds like 2.5 MOA is very respectable for shooting the Hornady 150 FMJBT's. I just don't want to spend a lot of wasted time handloading for chasing 2 MOA if it's just not realistic. I want to get some training ammo loaded up and give the Garand some love practicing with a sling and irons at an SR target at our 200 meter range. Once I get well acclimated to the Garand I plan on stepping up to 168 Nosler CC's and then get serious about more refined testing

A 2.5 MOA is respectable w/ the Hornady 150's that you are using. If you do your part and find the right ammo / load, sub 2" MOA's should be possible with your rifle. You are on your way! Enjoy!


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Old May 18th, 2016, 04:12 PM   #22
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Sorry, life is too short to reload Ball equivalent ammunition, unless you using a full-auto. Reload match grade projectiles and you will never have to guess when you are outshooting your ammunition.

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I realize this thread is over a month old, however I just did some work on a .30-06 CMP special. Epoxy bedded with proper tension, screwed handguard to band, relieved lower band and stock ferrule for op rod clearance, clearance between gas cylinder and upper band and trigger job. With 175 gr. Sierra handloads, this rifle shot 3 shots into 3/4" group at 100 yards. I was pleasantly surprised by this CMP Special, so was the owner.
So how does it group with 8 rds?

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Never got to shoot a full clip, owner wanted rifle back along with recipe for my handload.

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Hornady 150 FMJ's may not be match bullets, but they shoot well for a lot of people. Good enough for 200 yds. I didn't call the flyer, so it could be the bullet, or it could be me.
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Hornady 150 FMJ's may not be match bullets, but they shoot well for a lot of people. Good enough for 200 yds. I didn't call the flyer, so it could be the bullet, or it could be me.
I agree Smoothy. I shot this group today with Hornady 150g FMJ bullets and my beater Garand. The draw on the trigger guard to stock is pretty loose and you can hear the upper handguard rattle at 300 yards.
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Hornady 150 FMJ's may not be match bullets, but they shoot well for a lot of people. Good enough for 200 yds. I didn't call the flyer, so it could be the bullet, or it could be me.
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I agree Smoothy. I shot this group today with Hornady 150g FMJ bullets and my beater Garand. The draw on the trigger guard to stock is pretty loose and you can hear the upper handguard rattle at 300 yards.
My shooting partner religiously loads those things, and even uses them at 600, despite me constantly bugging him to try 168s at the back line. He keeps em on the target.

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replace that FMJ with a Sierra 155 Palma and get back to us...

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Old October 10th, 2016, 04:46 AM   #29
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Just a follow up on testing the Hornady 150 fmjbt / 4064 combo I have bumped the charge up to 48.5 gr and got a bit more accuracy and consistency . I'm at about 2760 fps. Seems on a day when i'm really on my best game I can shoot this load about 2 moa at 100 yds. So typically i'm between 2-2.5 moa and very nice triangulated groupings. This will be my economy short range training load. Very pleased. Now moving on to 168 match bullets to shoot midrange. Thanks for the help with this load development !


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I just noticed the OP mentioned vertical stringing. Often, if you are over 40, and especially if you ever wear reading glasses, vertical stringing is caused by vision.if your focus on the front sight drifts just even slightly, the front post will develop a blur line that will appear to make it slightly taller or shorter than it is. I'm not talking much here, +/- 1/64" of perceived front blade height will add 3 MOA to your spread. If you wear reading glasses, you KNOW you are having trouble seeing up close. Reading distance is bad enough that you definitely need help. The further you get away, the less help you need, and where shooters often miss it is that at front sight distances they assume they need no help, when the true answer is that they do still need a little help, especially when you consider that they want to be able to stare at the front sight with consistent focus as they aim.

When you work the optical math to figure it out, the bottom line answer for the M1 or M14 is that you want a +0.50 diopter lens, which will shift your eye's relaxed focus from infinity to the ideal hyperfocal distance of the front sight. This will give you consistent focus on the front sight, rather than letting an inconsistent width blur line develop.

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