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February 10th, 2012, 07:11 PM
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#1 | | Fire Team Leader
Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Lakewood, WA
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| The Japanese Garand
Well, they were so impressed with getting their butts kicked, that towards the end of WWII, they developed their own version of the Garand. I just happened to run across this vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=xUBvrCACNDQ
It is a good thing we ended that war sooner than later.
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February 10th, 2012, 07:30 PM
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#2 | | Squad Leader
Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Colorado Springs, CO
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Wow... never even heard of that. It actually looks closer to the Garand than I thought it would
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February 10th, 2012, 07:47 PM
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#3 | | Old Salt
Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: PNW
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Yeah, this was featured in one issue of The American Rifleman..............last year I think. I'll see if I can dig that issue up. Interesting.
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February 10th, 2012, 08:42 PM
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#4 | | Platoon Commander
Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: South Mississippi
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WOW!
Marty
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February 10th, 2012, 10:06 PM
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#5 | | Squad Leader
Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Prattville, Alabama
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| Five countries built M-1 Garands.
While five countries built Garands only two actually manufactured them. The US of course, and Italy before they went to the BM-59. Japan was trying to match the firepower the Garand brought to the battlefield. Korea built an estimated four to seven prototypes of the Garand in the early sixties. It's believed they were attempting to develop a domestic source of the rifle and parts rather than depend on the US or maybe they were being considered as the Asian source of M-1 parts and rifles for those countries adopting the M-1 the same as Italy was picked to supply rifles and parts to those NATO countries that adopted it. BTW, Korea also worked on the M-1 Carbine at the same time probably for the same reasons.
Argentina began work on three rifles to replace the 1909 Mausers that were issue in 1953. The two original competitors were domestic copies of the M-1 and the German StG44. Shortly after work was started they also decided to copy the M-1941 Johnson rifle. Both the M-1 and M-1941 were chambered for the 7.65x53mm, while the StG44 was to stay in its original 7.92x33mm chambering. These rifles were completed and testing started in 1954, but before anything was completed or decided, Argentina adopted the FN-FAL, first buying them from Herstal then manufacturing their own starting in 1960.
One example of the Korean M-1 is at the National Infantry Museum at Ft. Benning, GA, while the only Argentine M-1 is at their National Arms Museum in Buenos Aires.
Information on the Korean and Argentine M-1s came from the Summer 2009 issue of The Garand Collectors Journal.
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February 20th, 2012, 04:28 PM
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#6 | | Lifer
Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Texas
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seems like I've seen one that worked just like an american garand , had a octagonal rear sight, and had the imperial flower stamped on the receiver.
anyway heres some museum shots similar to that video i took at the glider museum here in texas.
german guns, ally guns,and my boy shooting the mortar!
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February 20th, 2012, 05:09 PM
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#7 | | Designated Marksman
Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: new york
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Ive read about it before, its in 7.7 japanese. If I remember, it used stripper clips, instead of en bloc. Copy, the greatest form of flattery.
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February 20th, 2012, 07:51 PM
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#8 | | Fire Team Leader
Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Kansas City, Kansas
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| Winchester tooling.
The Italian BM-59 tooling was the WWII Winchester tooling. That is why Winchester did not make any M1 Garands during the Korean war.
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February 21st, 2012, 01:11 AM
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#10 | | Old Salt
Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: NY
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The first one of these that I saw was about 20 years ago at SARCO over in their old Stirling NJ store. I never knew it existed before that
Had it in a glass case....I recall seeing it and walking toward it thinking "what kind of jived up Garand is this?"
The guy at the counter told me it was the "Japanese Garand" on closer inspection it was in fact quite well made
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February 21st, 2012, 02:04 AM
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#11 | | Designated Marksman
Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: machine shop
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| Quote:
Originally Posted by Visigoth9  The first one of these that I saw was about 20 years ago at SARCO over in their old Stirling NJ store. I never knew it existed before that
Had it in a glass case....I recall seeing it and walking toward it thinking "what kind of jived up Garand is this?"
The guy at the counter told me it was the "Japanese Garand" on closer inspection it was in fact quite well made | Half of one, anyway. The stock and bottom metal was missing, IIRC. It was tempting to cobble up the other bits, but it got sold before I worked up the gumption to actually try. Probably a good thing.
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February 21st, 2012, 04:05 AM
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#12 | | Platoon Commander
Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: New York
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This is super cool. I am glad they didnt get it into production before we ended the fight. I guess there is just one more m1 that we can all lust after now
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February 22nd, 2012, 11:37 AM
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#13 | | Snappin In
Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Olympia, WA
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| Very interesting. Thank you for sharing the weblink!
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February 22nd, 2012, 11:54 AM
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#14 | | Snappin In
Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Pasadena, PRK
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| Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmark99 The Italian BM-59 tooling was the WWII Winchester tooling. That is why Winchester did not make any M1 Garands during the Korean war. | Common misconception. Beretta received the tooling, inspected it, rejected/condemned it...and built their own in-house. 
I don't think Japan had nearly enough manufacturing capacity left (not in ruins) for them to field their interpretation of the M1 in any significant quantity.
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