M14 Forum

Bamban

[QUOTE=Gus Fisher;768052] We got our double lugged torque screwed M14's to shoot ALMOST as good as our Model 40A1's, but never to that level of accuracy because the bolt gun is inherently more accurate.
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Gus,

I have a M40A1 built at your old shop in Quantico complete with the 10X scope and the rest of the stuff as issued including the hard case. This was auctioned off on Sniper's Hide to raise funds for Eddie Ryan, a wounded USMC sniper. This rifle is a laser, I hardly shoot though.

Now, I need a 14 built to the same spec as the USMC big team rifle that is ALMOST as accurate as the A1. That would be a nice pair.

Do you know anyone in Virginia near Richmond who can build the 14 for me, preferably someone who used to run the RTE? lol.....

Nez

taxman

i've noticed this as well with two of my garand's out of the two things that i tried one thing gave me good results, insted of loading all eight rounds i took one out so the tension from the clip is virtually the same. it worked with both of my garands and the other thing that i tried was sitting down and getting the barrel foueld, after about 50 rounds the first shot didnt fly to to one side but was still considered a flyer. besides even at three hundred yards all of my garands shoot minute of man, aren't the only thing that is supposed to count is the hits

tank1949

The more I think about it, the compression may be a factor, but in reverse. When that cartridge stops its forward movement via the violent action cycling, it seems to me that the powder would compress forward, much more so than when manually cycling (first rnd). I'm going to pack case with IMR 4895 and compare the results. 49 grains is darn near a compressed load and MAX pressure. I'll try 50 grains of IMR 8208 too.

The fouling doen't appear to be a problem. I have tried several 8 round combinations. The first rd seems to always near 7 oclock.

Have any of you noticed this type phenomena with M1As? Mine shoots great but 45.0 + grains of H4895 with 150 SMK just about pack the cases completely full. It may be the case size on the 06 must be packed to minimize this compression???? It is worth a try and also measuring the concentricity of the rounds before and after firing.


THX!

Gus Fisher

Naw, I think that guy may be a figment of your imagination. Grin.

M1A's r BEST

The most accurate loads I ever made for my M1A had compressed powder.

I used to have a Win. M190 .22 that did this. The first round when "somewhere" on the target. It might be 1" to 1.5" from the rest of the bullets. The remaining 14 or 15 rounds would tear a hole slighly smaller than a dime at 25 yds. Great squirrel gun. If you could get the squirrel to stand still when that first head shot missed. I could kill squirrels running out tree limbs to jump to the next tree - but never with the first shot. Finally traded it on a compound bow.

Didn't catch it if someone else suggested it. Have you loaded a clip (or two) with the rounds opposite of normal - meaning if your first round is normally top right (like I load my clips) have you tried it with the first round on the top left?

Bamban

Gus,

You may be right, he may just be a figment of my imagination. Sometimes I feel like chasing a high school virgin whi playing hard to get....

If you ever come across that guy, direct him to this link and tell him the M40A1 is lonely, it needs his M14 brother from the same pedigree residing in the same household.

http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubb...rue#Post992170

To the original poster - sorry to hijack your thread.. this is my last one promise.

tank1949

M1 Grand weird accuracy UPDATE:

For all who have given advice. THANKS! I tried everything mentioned above except packing a 30-06 hull with fiber to fill it to it full capacity. I am too afraid that I will blow up my rifle. Nothing else fixed the weird accuracy problem, bumping, five rounds instead a full eight, seven rounds instead of eight. Same results while using an Leupold Mark 4 M1 scope on rifle. I tried iron sight (best I could with 62 year old eyes) at 100 yards. The results were basically the same, only a larger string. Then I noticed that my rear ARMS #22 quick release ring could be moved. The front one wouldn't budge. That's was more weird'er. The scope mount is a custom made side mount with a SAKO pickatiny base welded to it. It will not move. Yet, the rear #22 ring would move. I disconnected both rings and replace them with some WARN quick release rings. They don't move!I took the same two ARMS rings and attached them to one of my AR flat tops and neither would move. I can't budge them! I suspect at the SAKO is out of specs or the weilding warped base. Regardless, I am back to the range next week. At least I know rings were not marraging up correctly. Back to drawing board.

Oxmix

If you don't want to use fiber fill, that's fine, some guys use oatmeal.

Regards

Ox

Packing a 45

Back in the mid seventies I was doing 8mm/06 with IMR4895 cases were I think 3/4 full, at that time one of the shooters supply houses offerd Dacron fiber fill for that purpose, I had great results with it. I carried a coupel rounds around in my pockets while at work, Two weeks later I pulled the bullets with a press puller and there was no evedence of the powder shifting. I think it went off the maret because reloaders found the same stuff in old Dacron filled pillows, that is a lot of reloadinding. Packing