M14 Forum

Walker · August 4th, 2011, 09:34 AM

I'm considering buying a CMP Garand and a Criterion 7.62x51/308 barrel and having a gunsmith install and headspace it. Can the original 30-06 barrel be re-installed later for resale, if necessary? (I don't completely understand what parts are changed by indexing and headspacing.)

The Correct Grades appeal most to me, but I'd hate to permanently lower its value by a change that I can't reverse.

SOCOM42 · August 4th, 2011, 12:13 PM

You can rewind the original tube right back on, may have to reroll the shoulder. Whoever does one can do the other with ease.

Walker · August 4th, 2011, 07:51 PM

That sounds simple, thanks.

pepperbelly · August 19th, 2011, 06:19 PM

Be aware that you can't shoot a Garand that is chambered in other than 30-06 in a Garand match.

Jim

Phil McGrath · August 20th, 2011, 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by pepperbelly

Be aware that you can't shoot a Garand that is chambered in other than 30-06 in a Garand match.

Jim

Ahh.... have you checked out the Unlimited Garand?

gulliver62 · August 20th, 2011, 05:04 AM

I believe pepperbelly means the CMP JCG as issued matches. These are the main 'medal' matches. Even my real Navy, which was issued in 7.62, is illegal (go figure).

However, there are many opportunities to shoot the 7.62 in competition as you state.
Unlimited class,
NRA High Power
Presidents 100
I believe it is legal for leg matches also
and just because it's fun!

rscalzo · August 20th, 2011, 08:52 AM

I'd suggest adding a spacer block which will not allow the use of a clip or 30-06. It can be easily removed if the conversion is reversed in the future.

http://www.fulton-armory.com/spacerblockf308cal.aspx

SOCOM42 · August 20th, 2011, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by rscalzo

i'd suggest adding a spacer block which will not allow the use of a clip or 30-06. It can be easily removed if the conversion is reversed in the future.

http://www.fulton-armory.com/spacerblockf308cal.aspx

the "spacer block" has nothing to do with prohibiting the use of 30/06 aka 30m2, it won't chamber anyway. It is used in the same manner as the bullet guide it fits in front of, to limit the rounds from moving forward in the clip. That is it's only purpose in life. If you look at the face of one after firing many rounds you will see the telltale signs of brass on it in vertical streaks as the rounds rub in their vertical assent.

John Coleman · August 20th, 2011, 09:37 AM

I've noticed that it's not as easy to find standard weight 7.62 barrels as it was 20 years ago. Many are now medium heavy weight and heavy weight barrels which add a lot of weight to the already not so light Garand. Note the weight of the barrel when you buy it or it may not be what you want.

Seventh Fleet · August 20th, 2011, 11:27 AM

I might pick up another Garand and have it converted over to .308 as well. After all, where's it written that it's wrong for a guy to own five Garands?

7th

pepperbelly · August 20th, 2011, 04:19 PM

yes I was talking about the CMP matches. That's what I shoot. The High Power is usually dominated by AR15s. I am not sure what the unlimited preferred rifle is. You may be at a disadvantage shooting a Garand against those rifles. You can still have fun but be aware you probably won't be competitive.
In our local club's CMP matches the Garand can almost hang with the '03-A3 rifles but that really comes down to the shooter. They struggle against the Swede and Swiss rifles.

They are a lot of fun to shoot. I just wanted to put this info out there in case you wanted to be competitive. I would hate to see someone alter their rifle into a configuration that was either not legal or not able to compete.

Jim

Quote:

Originally Posted by gulliver62

I believe pepperbelly means the CMP JCG as issued matches. These are the main 'medal' matches. Even my real Navy, which was issued in 7.62, is illegal (go figure).

However, there are many opportunities to shoot the 7.62 in competition as you state.
Unlimited class,
NRA High Power
Presidents 100
I believe it is legal for leg matches also
and just because it's fun!

mack7.62 · August 20th, 2011, 07:54 PM

I question why you would want to rebarrel a correct grade? Buy a lesser grade to rebarrel.

Phil McGrath · August 23rd, 2011, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by John Coleman

I've noticed that it's not as easy to find standard weight 7.62 barrels as it was 20 years ago.

True, there was a gent here that sold a few out of the BX, I jumped on it like a chicken on a junebug, SA 11686514 3/66 he was asking $225 shipped, chamber cap, muzzle cap and VCI tube down the bore, New barrel in every way. Now I'm looking for the right M1 maybe a 5.4 or 5.8 SA

Dale Rader was the gent, and I talked too him after he sold out, he found a extra one and that was the one I picked up, he may have a few more hiding.

rickyleru · September 12th, 2011, 05:33 AM

Will the standard en bloc Garand clips work with .308 ammo?
Thanks!

FICK_USMC · September 12th, 2011, 06:51 AM

A Garand converted to .308 is a legal service rifle for CMP EIC, P100, and team matches.
It is also legal in the "unlimited" class of the National Garand match. It is also a legal service rifle in NRA High Power in the service rifle class. It is NOT legal in the CMP GSM "as issued" matches, Special Garand EIC and scores are not eligible for the overall GSM 900 aggregate of all three GSM rifles fired at the Eastern/Western Games, and National Games matches.
If you are going to build a "Navy" match Garand in .308, you might as well use every trick in the book or have it built by a well known builder, USMC 2112, or retired Navy team armorer. It will cost more, but it will be worth more, and last longer.
A couple of things to consider before changing your Garand. A well built "as issued" Garand can shoot just as well as a match accurized M1. The CMP issues Hornady Match 30/06 for all "as issued" Garands at the Eastern/Western, and National Games matches. You will not get this great ammo.