M14 Forum

08 Cayenne · October 31st, 2010, 05:48 PM

I was planning on my next rifle being a Garand but since I bought a Marlin 39a I think I want to get another Lever. I was thinking 45-70, really like shooting the round. I know almost nothing about them. Will be used strictly for shooting rocks, cans, the lake, maybe a paper target.... What would be your suggestion for under $1500?

Thanks
Frank

7.62bthp · October 31st, 2010, 06:17 PM

I'd get the 39's big brother, the 1895. The 22" version shoots well, and it's a strong action. The ballard rifling shoots lead real well too. I've had scoped ones put 'em in an inch at 100 with the proper load. Super fun to shoot with peep sights. You can get 2 for $1500...

Houndmaster · October 31st, 2010, 08:03 PM

I love my guide gun. Fun to shoot and ammo is cheap enough. If you reload, you can get some very spice rounds that are totally safe. I replaced my factory sights with a Williams set. Love em, and would suggest them to anyone.

RVPilot76 · November 1st, 2010, 12:45 AM

I own the Cowboy. I really like it; it balances beautifully.

Kevin

Lruss · November 1st, 2010, 07:58 PM

you want a 1972. only year they made them
1895 45/70 with ballard cut rifling. the next
year they went with the microgroove.

the reason you want the 1972 is it is
the only 45/70 lever you can shoot the
big old 500 grain cast bullets in.

they will not fit in the newer ones.

i searched many gunshows over many
years but found one. seller did not know
about it and price was high for a 45/70.
but i always wanted one. so i bought it.

so now i read that the New 1895 classic
has the ballard rifling but it will not fit a 500
grain bullet. looks like a nice rifle.
http://www.marlinfirearms.com/firearms/bigbore/1895.asp
what ever you get the 45/70 is a fun shooter.
Lruss

7.62bthp · November 2nd, 2010, 08:40 AM

In 1997 Marlin switched to Ballard rifling to Big bores, '94s, and '95s. I've shot many a tight groups with lead in a MicroGroove, and didn't rush right out and buy one. Properly sized and hard bullets and gas checks work best in ALL types of rifling, more especially Micros. Garage cast softer lead thumpers tend to favor the Ballard, and are very popular with the cowboy action crowd. If I was choosing tomorrow, I would indeed look for a Ballard barrel, post '97.

redlegagent · November 11th, 2010, 05:14 AM

The 45-70 certainly has had a resurgence in popularity. I have a .444 Marlin lever action with Ballard rifling. With LeverEvolution ammo, I have literally gotten cloverleafs at 100yds. The 45-70 doesn't have the downrange ballistics compared to the .444 but it has a much larger reloading capability. The .450 marlin is essentially a "maxed out" 45-70. I've heard more complaints than compliments about it due to it's punishing recoil. If you go to www.marlinowners.com you can get all kinds of good info about these rifles and calibers.

awmp88 · November 12th, 2010, 08:31 PM

The cowboy in 45-70 is a sweet looking rifle, I have the .357 in the cowboy and love it and would like to add the 45-70 in the same rifle.

Nazgul · November 14th, 2010, 05:07 AM

I have 5 45-70's. I am a glutton for pinishment. these include a Davidsons LTD-V, 24" oct/round barrel, and a new SBL 18" barrel stainless laminate. Both are excellent quality and lots of fun.

Don

08 Cayenne · November 21st, 2010, 05:48 PM

Was in Cabelas yesterday and they have 1895SBL, stainless 18.5" barrel with a laminate stock. It was so purty. Might have to go back.

Nazgul · November 22nd, 2010, 03:26 AM

I shot mine this weekend Cayenne. Lots of fun.

Think of it as a manually operated SOCOM.

Don

Shooter7 · November 26th, 2010, 07:00 PM

Just got mine (Marlin 1895 45-70) a few months ago. Found one in really nice condition on auctionarms site. I think I got it for 4 & quarter plus transfer & shipping. I just started shooting it and the jury is still out on calling it fun! Mine shoots well at a 100 yards. One thing, I had a 3x9 Tasco laying around so I mounted it on see-thru mounts and I'm not sure the Tasco will live very long. If you're gonna scope it, get a good one. I let my brother shoot it and he said it's like shooting a civil war cannon.

I also cringe everytime I shoot $2 down range, reloading is definitely in my future. Anyways, my recommendation would be the Marlin 1895. BTW mine is the rifle (longer barrel) and not the guide.

OnEdit: My wife and I went to to Montana about 7 years ago and while we were there we made a trip to Big Timber for the specific purpose of touring Shiloh Rifle Manufacturing Co. The Sharps rifle is a very nice rifle especially if long range shooting and plinking is your goal. Might be a little tough to stay under $1500 but they are out there. Just in case you change your mind about a lever gun.....

http://www.shilohrifle.com/

Both Lever Guns.jpg

The top one is the 45-70, the bottom one is a .375 winchester.

45-70.jpg
45-70

hondo · November 29th, 2010, 11:44 AM

I absolutely love my Marlin Guide Gun, but then again I've always been a carbine guy. For max ballistic performance (and punishment), check out Garrett Cartridge Company's website.

Zachary · December 6th, 2010, 11:14 PM

When I was in the 8th grade, 1992 I think, I got my first rifle, a Marlin 1895 in 45-70. Mine was made before Marlin introduced the guide gun and it has a 22 inch micro groove barrel. It isn't as pretty as it used to be but it still packs a punch. Currently it has a Leupold 2.5x scout scope setup installed, which I like.

If you reload your own cartridges, you can have a lot of fun with this cartridge. One of my favorite loads is a Sierra 300 grain hollow point bullet in front of 33 to 35 grains of IMR 4198 powder. That load is safe to shoot in old trapdoor Springfield rifles according to Sierra's manual. The velocity would be around 1500 to 1600 fps most likely. This load doesn't kick too bad and is pleasant to shoot.

The hottest I've ever loaded these shells would be 300 grain hollow points in front of 50 grains of IMR 4198 or Reloader 7 powder. I think these are the max loads listed for the new Marlin rifles. Those loads really hurt my shoulder and I can only handle about 10 shots in one day before I have to call it quits.

I haven't loaded any lead bullets in this caliber yet. The 300 grain Sierra hollow points work well enough for me. I have toyed around with the idea of loading solids, but I can't see a practical reason to use those bullets around here. If I were to spend a great amount of time in Alaska or Africa I would probably keep my Marlin within arms reach as much as possible.

gatorshooter · December 7th, 2010, 05:10 PM

I like the Guide guns. I had a 450 Marlin that was ported and I traded it out for a 45-70 non ported model, put the XS sights on it and it is great to carry around while we are working on the lease. The 18" bbld Ported models are really loud even with ear plugs.
I also like the 16.5" bbld 44 mag. it is my favorite to pack around, hog rifle. With the winchester 240 gr soft pt white box it is a shoulder stomper!

I like these short big bores. I got a lee mold to cast some 420 gr flat nose for it can't wait to get my reloading room finished to see what they will do to my gong target and some wild pigs. I'm betting they will kill on both ends though!