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Just got "delayed" at my FFL??

This is a discussion on Just got "delayed" at my FFL?? within the Lever Action forums, part of the Gun Forum category; Okay so here's the case I believe he was talking about. 5-4 decision agianst Abramski. http://www.scotusblog.com/case-files...united-states/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abramski_v._United_States "Are you the actual transferee/buyer of the firearm(s) ...


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Old October 27th, 2016, 02:20 PM   #46
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Okay so here's the case I believe he was talking about.

5-4 decision agianst Abramski.
http://www.scotusblog.com/case-files...united-states/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abramski_v._United_States

"Are you the actual transferee/buyer of the firearm(s) listed on this form?" This is the question on form 4473



Somewhere in all this There is something about giving a gift of a firearm but idk how that works. As I've never gifted a firearm to anyone.
http://www.guns.com/2013/12/12/gifting-guns-need-know/


I don't understand why it's overly complicated.

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Old October 27th, 2016, 07:50 PM   #47
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NICS has a customer service line & the lady there has much more info available to her than the transfer girls do. I have called her after a "Delayed" response & she cleared it up & approved the purchase. But that was in the good old days before EVERYTHING became so stupid!
We in Mississippi don't fill out a 4473 if you have a CCW license either.

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Old October 28th, 2016, 02:45 AM   #48
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I recently purchased a Ruger GP100 revolver and that BC took over an hour. I purchased a stripped AR-15 lower receiver a few months ago and that BC took almost 2 hrs. My LGS explained that in the case of the stripped lower that is a different type of check. Most of my checks in NH are performed over the phone but that receiver transaction is a different classification of purchase so that was done over the computer. I do remember one situation where I observed a husband and wife both whom were purchasing handguns at the same time and both got a delay on the BC (both were previous lawful purchasers of firearms so they said).

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Old October 28th, 2016, 05:12 AM   #49
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I bought a gun one evening, about 7pm and cleared NICS. The next morning at about 8am (spent the night in town for business), I bought another one and was delayed. I drove the 172 miles home and then, three days later, drove the 172 miles back to pick up my .22, then drove 172 miles home again. Senator Thune can't seem to understand why I'm upset about their silly process.

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Old October 28th, 2016, 06:24 AM   #50
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Not true, per BATFE. Take a look at the form where it asks, are you the actual purchaser.
Correct, and as my FFL explained to me, is to prevent 'straw purchasers'... people who can buy a firearm legally, and then 'give' it to someone who can't, or quickly resells the firearm in a private sale. The actual question on the 4473 is pretty black and white... yes or no.

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Old October 28th, 2016, 07:06 AM   #51
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Well , to be truthful I can't remember the exact wording on the 4473
Now I'm forced against my will to go buy another rifle to read the form

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Old October 28th, 2016, 08:36 AM   #52
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Correct, and as my FFL explained to me, is to prevent 'straw purchasers'... people who can buy a firearm legally, and then 'give' it to someone who can't, or quickly resells the firearm in a private sale. The actual question on the 4473 is pretty black and white... yes or no.
The purpose of it is to prevent someone buying a firearm for someone who can't pass a BC. Nothing about buying then later selling a firearm. How well it works? I don't know?

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Old January 17th, 2017, 02:29 PM   #53
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When I picked up my K31 at a local FFL, I was at first told "delayed," but seconds later, I was "approved." After seeing a recent background check I did with an organization, there is someone with nearly the same name as mine, and they have a pretty substantial record.

Glad I got my K31 on time... I love that gun...


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Old January 17th, 2017, 02:58 PM   #54
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If your were intending to be Serious rather than Humorous...

That would Not be an Illegal 'Straw Man' Purchase as it is between Husband and Wife and there is really no legal prohibition whatsoever prohibiting the Husband in this scenario from having his Wife buy any legal firearm for Him...

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I would not bet the farm on that in a blanket way. I think it will depend on the state. And a legal firearm is one thing, but obviously if the intended is not a legal buyer, then both are in trouble. Here in WA they passed a couple years ago an initiative that (may) make it illegal to do ANY transaction without a NICS. The wording was so vague as to make the law almost unenforcable, even LE cant figure it out. But I would not want to be the one to test it so to speak, given the anti gun climate here and on a Fed level these days.

Putting ones SSI # on the form may help as well. I always do and have never been denied. Pretty sure they already have it.

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Old January 17th, 2017, 04:48 PM   #55
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I never put my SS number on any firearms forms. Think about it those forms stay with the dealer for years. Who knows who has access to those forms in his shop. Having your ID stolen is not fun.

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