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Old August 24th, 2016, 06:22 PM   #1
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How to tell if you have Ballard Rifling?

I have a Marlin 1895 45-70, and this thing has a mind of it's own when shooting. I bought it new in the box.

I have a Nikon ProStaff 3x9 scope and I can not get this thing sighted in for love ner money.

At first I thought I was flinching, but I had my brother watch to see if I did or not. What he did was only put 4 rounds in it and he didn't tell me. So when I pulled the trigger on round number 5 it just went click, no flinch.

So he shot it as well, couldn't hit the side of barn if he was standing inside of it. Then a friend tried, same bad results. We are all long time hunters/shooters.

Anyways, I am reading through some posts and I see a comment about If you don't have Ballard Rifling then use FMJ bullets or you won't get it sighted in.

Is this true, and if so how can I tell if I have this rifling and what is the deal with this?

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Old August 24th, 2016, 06:56 PM   #2
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I don't know about Ballard rifling, but I'd try shooting without the scope.

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might check and see if it has rifling... I have heard of one or two that escaped the factories without rifling

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It will hurt when you walk.

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If my memory serves me well Marlin switched from micro groove to Ballard in the early 90s.
I would try shooting with the irons first with different grains of ammo and see what happens. What type of ammo were you shooting?

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looking down a empty bore with a light.
look at rifling, if it is lightly rifled it is micro groove. most are..
look at rifling, if it is bold deep rifling it is ballard.
micro groove shoot's jacket type bullets better.
ballard shoots cast bullets better.
not 100% but most the time.
did you try iron sight's ? might be the scope or mount.

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I don't know about Ballard rifling, but I'd try shooting without the scope.
Yep, that's my next step.

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It will hurt when you walk.
I read this several times trying to figure out what the heck you were sayin. then it hit me and I busted out laughing! My wife looked at me like what is the matter with you....

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If my memory serves me well Marlin switched from micro groove to Ballard in the early 90s.
I would try shooting with the irons first with different grains of ammo and see what happens. What type of ammo were you shooting?
I am going to remove the scope and see how that goes. I have tried the Leverevolution rounds, 300 gr flat nose, and 405 gr. And I put a at least 40 rounds of each through it at different times. No hand loads yet.

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looking down a empty bore with a light.
look at rifling, if it is lightly rifled it is micro groove. most are..
look at rifling, if it is bold deep rifling it is ballard.
micro groove shoot's jacket type bullets better.
ballard shoots cast bullets better.
not 100% but most the time.
did you try iron sight's ? might be the scope or mount.

hope this helps Lruss
It does! I will check out the rifling.

I will re-check the scope mounts.

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might check and see if it has rifling... I have heard of one or two that escaped the factories without rifling
I checked and it does have rifling, but it isn't very deeply cut. If I had to guess I'd say I have the micro groove.

Does this suck? or just stick to certain types of ammo?

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it's micro, the ballard is deep.
so you would do best with jacketed ammo.
does not s... is still a nice rifle just try new food.
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I've shot many a cast bullet from my micro groove rifling in my 30-30 and a 45-70 I owned. They just need to be slightly over sized to ensure engagement in the rifling. Never had a problem.

However, you may want to thoroughly clean the bore, check the crown and be consist with type ammo used.

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Is it a Remlin? That may be the problem, as some of those are poorly made.

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Old August 25th, 2016, 05:43 PM   #15
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Thing is I have a marlin in 375 and I love that rifle, and it is dead on. I really want this 45-70 to be as good.

I will try the jacketed ammo, and keep trying until I find the food of choice.

Is there a way to breakdown the serial number to figure out what year this rifle is?

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