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Old February 8th, 2016, 03:49 PM   #1
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Bought a "Big Medicine" gun!

Found a fantastic deal on an unfired Roosevelt 150th Commemorative 1895 Winchester custom grade in the famous .405 Winchester.
I was reading a book on Winchesters and found the 1895 .405 described as a "man's gun" and I couldn't agree more.
They had a recoil table of the cartridges offered in the 1895 and the recoil for the .405 was listed as over twice that of the other rounds.
In the picture the ammo is Hornady current production for both rounds.
The .405 is on the left, the 45-70 is on the right.
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Old February 8th, 2016, 05:20 PM   #2
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Are you gonna enjoy it and shoot it?

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Old February 8th, 2016, 05:49 PM   #3
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Are you gonna enjoy it and shoot it?
AMMO.

It's VERY tempting to shoot it and I DO HAVE A NEW BOX OF AMMO.
It would devalue it as a collector's item but since I never get rid of a gun once I've bought it the collector value is secondary, that will be my heir's problem.

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Old February 8th, 2016, 06:41 PM   #4
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Very sweet! High up on the list of rifles that I wish that I never got rid of was a Winchester 1895 saddle ring carbine in 30-40 Krag, God, sometimes I was just plain stupid when I was younger than 30!

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That's defiantly collector grade. Very nice.

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Old February 8th, 2016, 08:39 PM   #6
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Good gosh, I've never seen those two cartridges side by side like that. Damn straight, that's definitely a man's gun!

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Old February 8th, 2016, 08:55 PM   #7
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Damn that's an artillery piece!

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Old February 9th, 2016, 04:54 AM   #8
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Roosevelt took everything with it on his famous 1909 safari. He especially liked it for lions.
Another hunter of his era also used one and wrote of killing 13 elephants in a row with it using only a single shot each!

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Old February 9th, 2016, 04:58 AM   #9
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I love the "big bores", if you shoot it you will love it!! But you will want something between your shoulder and the butt stock!!!!
I shoot a 416RemMag, and without a decent pad on the butt stock, I'd be bruised up!!
Here's a 416Rem with a 400gr bullet next to a full length 45-70 with a 425gr bullet, the hornady brass is shorter than standard 45-70 brass to allow for the extra length of the gummi tip.

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Old February 9th, 2016, 06:36 AM   #10
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Always wanted an 1895, to go with my 71 and 1886... but it never happened. Thought it was a neat rifle with some interesting history. I never realized the .405 was that long!

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Old February 9th, 2016, 07:43 AM   #11
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Congratulations on the acquisition of the .405 Winchester!

Back in 1980, an old friend of mine went on safari and took an original 1895 take-down model in .405. He was gone for two weeks and took an elephant, cape buffalo, a big cat, zebra, worthog and these were all mounted and sent back home. He also got some misc, other beasts. The whole trip including licenses, taxidermy, plane tickets, shipping for taxidermy, PH, etc. was under $10K. Today's cost? who knows ... not I.

If I ever get the photographs retrieved from my dead computer I will post a few with for you all to enjoy.

For what it is worth, both of us agree that the 1886 EL Winchester in .45/70 kicks harder than the 1895 in .405 with currently available factory ammo.

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I would use this in Africa.
A friend won a hunting trip there, he wasn't given tags for any "Big 5" but could take 5 different antelope species and he said the large ones were hard to bring down using a .300 win mag.
I think this .405 would do nicely and if I went for Kodiak or brown bear I would take it as well.

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Old February 9th, 2016, 08:23 AM   #13
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I had a friend's family who had a 1895 carbine in 30-40 Krag. It is yours, keep and enjoy it as a collector's piece or as shooter.

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Old February 9th, 2016, 08:24 AM   #14
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Ammo is hard to find. I believe Hornady is the only company making it and it's in "limited production".
It's been awhile since their last batch so it appeared to have dried up.
Looking at sites like Gunbroker people were gouging wanting 2 - 2&1/2 time list price.
Nowhere in town here had it and I remembered some hole in the wall gun store 30 miles away and called. The guy said he had one box of the Hornady and I asked how much. He said $35.00 and I said I'll be right out!

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Just a side note. The 45/70 has the capability of reaching near 458 Win ballistics when reloaded. Recoil increases with the upgrade also. I've fired some extremely potent loads in the 1886 45/70, and yes, it barks like a bear slapping you in the face after winding up.

I'll have to do some research now on the .405. I had heard of it and read a little about it, but now my curiosity is peaked a little. Nice looking rifle!

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