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Old February 6th, 2017, 09:01 AM   #31
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So ...
How many Zombies does it take to change a light bulb?

Has anyone else noticed that the Zombie / Post Apocalypse / Pandemic theme just keeps getting bigger and stronger in books, movies ( horror, comedy, romance), TV shows, video games, ammunition boxes, expensive personalised Zombie targets, flash mobs,.and actual "Zombie Day" exercises for first responders???

Seems like Mr Zee has gone mainstream.

What's up with that??

I wonder if somebody is preparing the masses for the real thing?
Teaching everyone that HEAD SHOTS are the only sure cure for Zombie Fever.

If so, I would probably not be using my M14 but rather something lighter and faster for multiple follow up shots in " a target rich environment". And practice a lot at multiple 6" - 8" -10" plates at close range. By a serendipitous co-incidence, I have stocked up on various sizes and colors of round and square paper plates. ...for camping ....yeah ... I really hate doing the dishes ... thats why I have all those paper plates.

These also make great practice targets for fast reactive drills. Eg ... partner calls out a color or a shape or a size for that string, with everything else no shoots. Mix them up, and repeat till you run out of ammo, then fix bayonets ( or draw your machete ) and slash up the remainders.

Anything semi auto with a hi cap mag in .223, .30 carbine, .30 Russian, or even .22LR would be my choices. A drum magazine might finally find a tactical scenario where it actually might be useful.

And remember, wear proper protection ... high thick collars, arm guards, etc.

That should get you noticed on the range.
PRACTICAL SHOOTING PRACTICE ....
with a twist.
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As a fan of the genre BEFORE it exploded into being the theme of every 5th movie being released I feel compelled to reply to this one in particular:

First off:
My biggest criticism to the entire genre as portrayed on screen (Glenn, TWD, riot gear), with one singular brief exception, is CLOTHING. I get it, it is hot, actors like to show skin sometimes (female usually), but if you are dealing with something that transmits via bite, scratch, or saliva CLOTHING is and should always be the key. That is why I promote motorcycle leathers as the ultimate outbreak clothing. Take into consideration the ability of a human to bite, remove the pain threshold that prevents us from biting harder, and guess what - it still isn't getting through a standard 1.3mm racing suit (2pc recommended). You also have the advantage of reinforced elbows, knees, and forearms in most cases. Toss into that full calf high riding boots, armored gloves (you could punch through a car window or a zombie's face equally easily) a motorcycle helmet (flip style ideally) A little extra neck protection and you've got yourself a VERY easy, very strong Z-outbreak defensible clothing array that offers you the basic mobility necessary to utilize any swinging weapon or firearm. Maybe not like full ninja martial arts mobility, but let's be realistic in our planning for the (theoretically) unrealistic, shall we? :)

To the social aspect: I think this all has gone mainstream because people are afraid to some degree. Afraid of big pharma and what they may be pumping into people that would make a pandemic easier than ever (a la Resident Evil / t-Virus). Afraid of what life would be like if the grid collapsed, not via warfare (the social statement being that we are no longer afraid of a post-nuclear apocalypse), and therein how we every day people driving to and from work every day in the burbs or the city might fare, if we would fare at all. How society might break down, or try to survive. How we would react to people that did not behave like us, good or bad. How we would try to re-establish society --- or would we even try? We are a species of "what ifs" and "what about this?" and "why?" That has been what has driven the species since we've been a species that has been able to verbalize the questions, and cross-communicate them seeking answers or theories from others. This really is no different. We like fiction. We like fiction that hits home. We are an odd species for sure.

As to preparation:
The problem there is which TYPE of zombie one is dealing with.
Traditional Romero undead / walkers: head shot - either with a firearm, blunt weapon, knife to the brain (ideally the cerebral cortex). Best bet is to go blunt weapon as to not attract more with noise. They always seem to be attracted to noise, and otherwise aren't necessarily aware of "motion" for sake of motion if it is slow, seemingly random-ish. TWD explores the notion they are also keen to smell (they can smell living tissue compared to the foul stench of death). Also that "freshly dead" walkers move distinctively faster than older undead. Something to take note of. Also - although it has never been DIRECTLY addressed I am aware of - the ridiculous strength and such comes from the fact their pain receptors are shut off. They have no filter that keeps we humans about 1/5'ish of our actual physical capability before we do tremendous self-damage. While that filter is removed -they are in a degenerative state, so technically they can be torn apart more easily than a non-undead with a little well placed pressure to the wrists, jaw, etc.

Fast movers / "Rage" virus: Technically not "dead" / walkers really - their brains are infected with something that makes them more primordial, willing to eat on anything that moves. IMO unless you are a combat marksman or you can figure a way to only encounter 1 or 2 at a time, you're pretty screwed as a Joe Suburbanite trying to get out of Dodge in his minivan with his Ruger Security Six and small hatchet used to trim trees as his only means of defense. Think of that 1/5 filter being removed AND jacked up on PCP type behavior. Yeah... CQB experience would be the best training one could have I guess, or getting the trainer from John Wick to teach you. 28 Days Later nails this well. You don't have to shoot them in the head - just take them down like a normal person, but as "pumped up" as they are - you probably need multiple shots to take them down.

Honestly I think preparation WITHOUT a firearm is the best course of action to start with, THEN learn to handle a firearm (ideally a handgun first) as a backup. While I am partial to the slightly abnormal 30" blade length katana based on hands training for over a decade, realistically an edged weapon of that nature should be a 4rd line backup to a 4" or longer knife (preferably fixed blade), then an aluminum baseball bat, but first and foremost a blunt force weapon that can both repel and attack - like a quarterstaff or some such manageable length item. My recommendation would be something like this, in the full or one down from full size:
https://www.containerstore.com/s/she...uctId=10001001

A little grip tape in the center mass, and you've got a great "walking stick" that can bash a skull in, push off on any walkers or rushers coming at you (maybe even smash in a jaw as they rush you), and still keep ticking with zero maintenance other than wiping off rotting brain. One needs to learn two and one handed smashing motions both to upper cranial, temple region, and even smashing the nose bone into the brain / putting it through an eye socket, sweeping motions both high and low (taking out a walker's knees is equally effective to allow an escape or delay the attack while others are dealt with), and other defensive motions.

After that, as mentioned, aluminum baseball bat - and training needs to be not all macho batter up style - but more elegant, like a wakisashi style or escrima techniques. Yes a bat is longer, but it is in the technique of wielding it that will give the advantage.

Pistol training for CQB should come, again IMO, well before rifle. A gun should be a last line of defense only used to pave a path for escape. Remember - these things in all genres are attracted to noise and nothing is going to make more noise than a gun. Sure, we all presume we'll have access to our stores where we have our wonderfully suppressed 300 blackout or such - but what if the scenario hits when you are at work, or worse, on vacation THOUSANDS of miles from home and you have to pillage for whatever you can get? My point more than anything is people presume a firearm, an item with mechanical parts, pieces that can go wrong, and a limited supply of what it needs to operate, would be the first thing to go for weapons wise. My point is that it most certainly SHOULD be on the list of something to get your hands on, but not necessarily FIRST.

Some have said I overthink this stuff. My 47 page and growing bug-out, pillage assignment, and regroup for convoy plan shared with about 21 other families might concur. I just think it is me being a project manager + ADD and my love of strange fictional what ifs like this.

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Old February 6th, 2017, 12:20 PM   #32
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The one thing about the "Zombie genre" that has always confused me (if you are assuming those as described in the episode of TWD that took place at the CDC) is that the BRAIN does not actually function, and all responses are being generated by the medulla oblongata or brain stem. How then will your "run of the mill" brain shot stop or disable them? The REAL target is going to be about the size of a walnut and is best accessed at the base of the skull from the rear, and the mouth from the front. Your standard head shot will do nothing but blow away dead tissue and bone, no different from a chest shot or cutting off an arm.....??? Best start practicing for those X ring shots....

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The one thing about the "Zombie genre" that has always confused me (if you are assuming those as described in the episode of TWD that took place at the CDC) is that the BRAIN does not actually function, and all responses are being generated by the medulla oblongata or brain stem. How then will your "run of the mill" brain shot stop or disable them? The REAL target is going to be about the size of a walnut and is best accessed at the base of the skull from the rear, and the mouth from the front. Your standard head shot will do nothing but blow away dead tissue and bone, no different from a chest shot or cutting off an arm.....??? Best start practicing for those X ring shots....
As memory serves George Romero or someone that was pivotal in development of the genre actually addressed that when asked and he said that he needed to give humanity SOME hope of being able to stop them, so he chalks it up to the bad science of "any trauma to the brain" disrupts all electrical flow and this "re-kills" them. Got to give the hero a chance to win, don't you? ;)

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Best parts of this movie boils down to only two things for me....

1. M1A action

2. James Yeager dies early on.

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Best parts of this movie boils down to only two things for me....

1. M1A action

2. James Yeager dies early on.
I may have to watch this movie for the singular purpose of watching and re-winding point #2 over, and over, and over.

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Okay... I started watch 24 minutes of the movie via posting on YouTube and I have two immediate gripes:

1. Why do they perpetuate the concept a car door will protect you from any rifle caliber fire like a 7.62? I mean a 5.56 will penetrate 2 car doors, and then maybe a little past... but a 7.61 x 51 will shred through and then into a person pretty easily. I really would love to see a movie that take the time and effort to dispel that myth. I'd even take a 4th wall break of the guy doing it looking at the camera like "yeah, that's reality people," too!

2. I LOVE when these lower budget films finds people (aka "extras" / new SAG members looking to be in the credits of any film) who clearly haven't really shot before (and received no training prior to filming). One guy is firing an AR and barely twitching from the recoil (believable), then the guy next to him is sweeping his shoulder back every round like he's firing a .300WM

I shall continue watching as time permits at work :)

(oh yeah - and it was VERY VERY good to see "Apoco'Yeager take a shot to the head!)

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Finished the movie on Friday...

Wow... I could totally do a full length dissection about this movie - both pros and cons, but mostly cons, in regards to sheer suspension of logic required for this movie to "work."

I will refrain from "total film critic diatribe" mode and just say it was nice to see someone utilizing a M1A/M14 in a modern film instead of defaulting to the more popular AR platform, and put the time and thought (I presume it was the actor, not the director) into holding onto magazines for preservation rather than the typical movie where you see people just dropping them left and right and leaving them behind. Also his handling of the weapon, both strong and weak hand (going lefty when lefty gives him best angle of attack / defense) was refreshing to see too.

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Bought the film at Walmart on Saturday.

I enjoyed it. Yes, a tired theme, unanswered questions and some stilted dialogue, but the almost continuous gun action and that the cops and others involved knew something about tactics and movement techniques was very refreshing.

Lots of frantic action and not much slow time. I enjoyed the snot out of it.

Did note that, at times, Johnny's rifle and pistol seemed to shoot for extended periods w/o reloading. Full auto goes thru 20rd mags rather quickly. Also, don't silencers "burn out" once in awhile and need replacement parts/maintenance?

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Bought the film at Walmart on Saturday.

I enjoyed it. Yes, a tired theme, unanswered questions and some stilted dialogue, but the almost continuous gun action and that the cops and others involved knew something about tactics and movement techniques was very refreshing.

Lots of frantic action and not much slow time. I enjoyed the snot out of it.

Did note that, at times, Johnny's rifle and pistol seemed to shoot for extended periods w/o reloading. Full auto goes thru 20rd mags rather quickly. Also, don't silencers "burn out" once in awhile and need replacement parts/maintenance?
It wasn't as precise as John Wick, no, but I only counted very minor infractions (he'd shoot 22, 23 instead of 20 rounds, though sometimes it was hard to tell if it was poor editing that made it seem like more or if it was continuity errors) - not like some of these movies where the 30 round M4s seem to be holding 90 rounds (or worse yet - anachronistic errors like X-Men First Class when the truck going into the Soviet Union the soldiers were carrying M4s, which hadn't been invented yet). It is actually a growing problem I'm seeing in TV and movies where an "apocalypse" takes place in current or even very recent past years... then "new" technology keeps showing up - like the latest ACOG or EOtech shows up on an AR, or the newest hand guard or adjustable stock is mysteriously on an AR some wanderer picks up like it had been there for 5 years, etc.

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I don't understand the beef with James Yeager? He is his own personality, that's for sure. But apart from that I don't get the low level hostility towards him. He has strong opinions on certain types of firearms but he bases it off his training experience with hundreds of classes.

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I don't understand the beef with James Yeager? He is his own personality, that's for sure. But apart from that I don't get the low level hostility towards him. He has strong opinions on certain types of firearms but he bases it off his training experience with hundreds of classes.

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Others out there on other boards easily accessible have posted laundry lists of this guys transgressions, lies, etc. but my disdain for the guy comes from his own mouth.

Having an opinion is one thing but being a belligerent asshat that can't engage in a debate about it without becoming said aforementioned asshat, or being so thin skinned you can't take other people's opinions without wanting to kill them, or even worse openly threatening to start killing people because you don't like what's going on any given day in Washington D.C., are another thing entirely. Or oh, what was the one last year? Trying to be so "hard core" in your training courses that you create a negligent discharge. Yeah, that there should have been a pretty good indicator he's a blowhard wannabe youtube celebrity than anything else nowadays.

I give as much credence to the notion he is some diverse expert in all things tactical as I do that Pawn Stars having these experts readily available any day of the week, and these people just happen to walk in with this stuff when the cameras are rolling by coincidence.

This is why, if I watch anyone on Youtube besides for fun like Demolition Ranch, I watch Colion Noir. I don't like his sponsorship by the NRA because I have had an issue with the Wayne LaPierre for some time now, but that not withstanding this is a man who can articulate his point and debate it well without being a jerk, roided up wanna be, or general ammunition for the greater "ban the gun" crowd out there.

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Others out there on other boards easily accessible have posted laundry lists of this guys transgressions, lies, etc. but my disdain for the guy comes from his own mouth.

Having an opinion is one thing but being a belligerent asshat that can't engage in a debate about it without becoming said aforementioned asshat, or being so thin skinned you can't take other people's opinions without wanting to kill them, or even worse openly threatening to start killing people because you don't like what's going on any given day in Washington D.C., are another thing entirely. Or oh, what was the one last year? Trying to be so "hard core" in your training courses that you create a negligent discharge. Yeah, that there should have been a pretty good indicator he's a blowhard wannabe youtube celebrity than anything else nowadays.

I give as much credence to the notion he is some diverse expert in all things tactical as I do that Pawn Stars having these experts readily available any day of the week, and these people just happen to walk in with this stuff when the cameras are rolling by coincidence.

This is why, if I watch anyone on Youtube besides for fun like Demolition Ranch, I watch Colion Noir. I don't like his sponsorship by the NRA because I have had an issue with the Wayne LaPierre for some time now, but that not withstanding this is a man who can articulate his point and debate it well without being a jerk, roided up wanna be, or general ammunition for the greater "ban the gun" crowd out there.
Fair enough. I guess JY's personality does not rub me bad. He did fire the instructor that was responsible for the negligent discharge BTW. The only things he did in my recollection that were unwise were his threats of violence at the prospect of Obama executive actions against the 2A shortly after Sandy Hook. He lost his carry permit in TN for a while because of that.

My favorite gun channel is Yankee Marshal. His self-deprecating style of humor is fun. I also like San Francisco liberal with a gun. Not on YouTube but an actual classical liberal who is pro-2A.

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My favorite gun channel is Yankee Marshal. His self-deprecating style of humor is fun. I also like San Francisco liberal with a gun. Not on YouTube but an actual classical liberal who is pro-2A.

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I like Yankee Marshal,... Demolition Ranch as well. I like Colion Noir, but wish he'd not have aligned with the NRA for sponsorship. He was doing much better on his own IMO to spread the word of rationality and modern understanding of the value of the 2nd Amendment in terms any urban or suburban citizen can comprehend.

I will have to check out this SF Liberal w/ a gun. Sounds like me... when people ask my political stance I call myself a mostly-Kennedy-esque democrat with some libertarian leanings but a definite strong pro-2A support, but not support of the LaPierre NRA message necessarily. So generally I get marked "other." ;)

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I like Yankee Marshal,... Demolition Ranch as well. I like Colion Noir, but wish he'd not have aligned with the NRA for sponsorship. He was doing much better on his own IMO to spread the word of rationality and modern understanding of the value of the 2nd Amendment in terms any urban or suburban citizen can comprehend.

I will have to check out this SF Liberal w/ a gun. Sounds like me... when people ask my political stance I call myself a mostly-Kennedy-esque democrat with some libertarian leanings but a definite strong pro-2A support, but not support of the LaPierre NRA message necessarily. So generally I get marked "other." ;)
Here's a link for the SF lib w/gun

http://www.sanfranciscoliberalwithagun.com/default.html

He does podcasts mainly that you can get to by the above link although he also has a primarily cast boolitt and reloading themed YouTube series of videos. I just wish he would not go months at a stretch w/o releasing new stuff.

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