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In the interest of propping up our sagging economy, I have determined that purchasing a new handgun would simultaneously serve to help infuse more money into the economy, as well as affirm my patriotic duty to keep and bear arms.
Just want to know people's opinions of the guns I mentioned. The xD is developing a tremendous reputation, particularly among 1911 shooters as the "Glock that's not a Glock" (and therefore acceptable), but something about polymer just doesn't do it for me. Plus, if any gun could possibly be uglier than the Glock, it's the xD (IMHO).
The CZ-97b is basically a CZ-75b on steroids, it is large, heavy, and typical of the CZ line. I wanted one a while back, but never got it, because I had the 1911 bug at the time. I want to know if anyone here has experiences with either or both of these guns.
Had a few CZ pistols over the years...cz75, cz85, smaller caliber cz's. Never had a hitch with any of them. Acceptable accuracy and I always liked the way they looked. They always went bang. Never shot the 97b, but if I could find a deal, I'd probably get one.
Good luck and thanks for stimulating the economy...
I just picked up the new CZ P-01 in 9mm. A fine weapon, excellent craftsmanship, shoots where I point it. Only possible negative is the the sights are a little small for my old eyes. Don't thnk you can go wrong with a CZ. I also own the surplus military CZ 82 in 9MM Makarov. All the above applies.
XD -- I'd buy american -- hahah! The XD is imported from Croatia -- but Springfield REALLY stand behind this gun. I just ordered an XD-45 with the thumb safety. My XD-9 shoots better than any of the CZs that were cheaper, and even tho polymer tracks and feels good when shot.
I picked up a XD 40 Tac only for its longer barrel lenth for the wife, what a joy too shoot and SHE loves it!! the trigger started a little stiff but it seems too have gotten better and better with every round down range. Its a hammer as well.
I like the feel of the trigger of the CZ over that of the XD. As an owner of both as of today, I have to say I bought my new CZ 75 Stainless as a direct response to the fact that my finger rubs against the inside of the trigger well uncomfortably.
I fondled a CZ 97 today, and it wasn't THAT much bigger than a 75. 10 round slight stagger magazine, versus a typical 1911 8rd magazine, so the thing is just a skosh taller.
Thanks guys. I already own a CZ-75b, and it is one of the finest pistols I own. No disrespect to the 1911's I have, but since the CZ-75 was the first non-.22LR pistol I ever owned, it spoiled me into thinking that all pistols would be trouble-free, accurate, function flawlessly, make me look good on the range, and look beautiful to boot. My further experience with a number of other pistols has disabused me of that notion, but that is one reason I really had a hankering for another CZ.
Well, I haven't yet got ahold of a CZ-97 to compare, but I did get to the gunshop yesterday and fondled both a Glock 21 SF (along with the regular G21) and an XD .45. I gotta say, being used to the 1911 grip angle, the XD sure came up on target easier for me, and the more vertical grip angle felt more comfortable, slimmer, and I got better purchase on it with my smallish hands than either of the Glocks, even though the counter guy was trying to sell me hard on the Glock, mainly due to the higher magazine prices of the XD.
Another gun I saw in the counter but didn't get to fondle was the M&P .45 Does anybody have experience with this?
Haven't fired any CZ in any caliber other than 9mm, found that particular gun to be quite accurate, very reliable and compact enough to not feel uncomfortable in the small of my back. I purchased an XD45 a few years back based on advise and testing of a friend's XD, it fits my hand perfectly, comes on line and points as well as any pistol I've ever fired with exception to my P08, it handles high velocity ammo and any type bullet configuration with ease, have never had a problem. I fired 500rds through it without cleaning...no problems, I was a little skeptical about the "plastic" quality but have since waved that off. There is also the high round capacity as a bonus, the trigger has gotten better with time.
I love my CZ-75b. It is arguably the best pistol I own, bar none, which is why I am a fan of CZ's products (also have a CZ527m rifle) but when I got my hands around the XD's extremely ergonomic grip, I was very pleasantly surprised. Now the only thing holding me back from purchasing one is to compare it with a M&P .45. Those too have been getting rave reviews, and I would like to test their grip and pointability against the XD. RIght now, the XD is winning the race, particularly since I haven't got a chance to actually see and hole a CZ-97! Seems like nobody in CA has them in stock!
I just posted this in another thread here, so you may have already seen it...
I think you'll like the XD overall. I recently bought an XD45 Compact as I like having the option of loading the shorter 10-rd mags for CCW or loading the 13-rd mags for non-concealed personal defense. In that regard, this pistol will replace the two HK USP45s I have, one compact and one full size.
I ran my XD new, just out of the box and cleaned/lubed at a 3-gun training course a couple weeks ago - didn't have a chance to shoot it before going to the course. In the 4 days on the range, I ran 922 rounds of Remington UMC with a single FTF on day 2 that easily cleared. The gun was not cleaned at all during the course and otherwise ran like a champ.
The only drawback I see is the trigger pull. It's sort-of "spongy" and has a long travel, both in taking up the slack to the breaking point to fire, as well as in the return travel to trigger reset. I'm leaning towards the Springer Precision "Combat/Carry" job that addresses these issues by replacing the sear, trigger bar and springs. Total travel is advertised as .35" and it also lightens the pull to 4-5# (my Lyman digital trigger pull gauge says it's currently at about 6lb 10oz).
I've read that the trigger is supposed to get better over time. I hope in the next day or two to compare it to my brother's XD45c, which has 100 rds through it versus the 900+ mine now has.
As a former Marine 2111 (Small Arms Repairman) in the 70s, I have a longstanding affection for the 1911 and the 45 ACP cartridge. However, after buying a 9mm HS2000 in 2001 I was sold on the platform that became the Springfield XD. And when the XD45ACP was released, I snapped up a 4" and then a 5", both in black. I still own the 5", having sold the 4" to a friend in a weak moment who was all lathered up about the gun after a range session.
That said, the CZ 75, 85, and 97 are impressive pistols and a superb value. I have a 75B and love it. And when I saw my first 97 the clerk couldn't get it out of the case fast enough.
Then reality struck. The 97 is a BIG handgun. I have medium-sized hands and it was a real s-t-r-e-t-c-h for my index finger to get a tiny hold on the edge of the trigger. My hand ended up wrapped around the right side of the grip frame in order for my index finger to get proper purchase on the trigger. I was pretty sad to have to put that 97 back in the case, but no friggin way was it going to work for me.
If you got big mitts or long fingers, go for the 97. But before plunking down the $$$, MAKE SURE that you handle one first. I almost ordered one in to my FFL before handling the one I did, and I'm still glad that I didn't go through with the order.