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Old April 19th, 2017, 07:04 PM   #16
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Old April 19th, 2017, 07:31 PM   #17
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That Happened pretty quickly I don't know if he could have thumbed off the safety in time. If someone has the drop on you there is no way you will out shoot him even with a glock or a revolver.
Actually you can draw and fire before the bad guy can pull the trigger. But you better be practiced and know you're betting your life on 1/4 second. But yes, it's possible and probable with a good man.

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Old April 19th, 2017, 07:46 PM   #18
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A long time ago I was reading an article on the Israeli secret service . It was basically about carrying their semiautomatics with an empty chamber and how to bring it into play quickly. The way the article was written made it sound as if it was their preferred way of carrying concealed. I tried it with my 1911 and it was with practice pretty fast, you would draw into an isosceles stance pistol sideways at eye level, with the weak hand racking the slide and rolling into a two hand grip to fire. As I said it took a lot of practice to be fast 3-5 sec but I would not want to try it with the compact semiautomatics the slides are rather small and springs are stout.
It's sad he didn't have a round in the chamber it is the smartest way to do it.

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Old April 19th, 2017, 07:48 PM   #19
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In reality it comes down to heart/mind/luck. You may win, you might die. But I would rather die trying than not. I pray for this family, as they need all the help they can get. If ,maybe , that's all BS we weren't there.

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Old April 19th, 2017, 10:05 PM   #20
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I used to carry hammer down on a loaded chamber (Colt .380 Government, with a very weak safety.) I decided, after some training, that this was an invitation to disaster... and set out to find something better. In a 'fight or flight' gross motor-skill event, there is no way I could draw that weapon, cock it, and fire it with any reasonable outcome.

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Old April 20th, 2017, 08:24 AM   #22
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Can't say anything more-should have had a round in the chamber. He waited until the chance was there but weapon was not ready to shoot. What a waste. Too many have the weapon but don't know how to employ it. They are a danger to them selves and to others around them. Don't care how much TV you watch or how many games you play-it isn't the same in real life.

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Old April 20th, 2017, 09:25 AM   #23
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I recently spoke with a retired vice cop about my having gotten my CHL (LTC, now here in Texas)
He said "If you're gonna carry, carry Hot. Believe me, I know!" that's all I needed to hear.

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Old April 20th, 2017, 11:34 AM   #24
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I like my Star PD .45ACP compact. Safety not only locks the sear, but the hammer too. Carry it with a round in the chamber hammer down and safety on, very easy to flip off safety and cock hammer.

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Actually you can draw and fire before the bad guy can pull the trigger. But you better be practiced and know you're betting your life on 1/4 second. But yes, it's possible and probable with a good man.

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Sad thing is people vote for the politicians that enact these liberal laws. No wonder this is happening! Tom from MN

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Old April 20th, 2017, 02:53 PM   #27
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Forgive me as I just dusted through at all the posts before this.

If you can't carry your Hand gun with one in the chamber or cocked and locked than leave it home.
You are not ready to defend yourself!
Period!

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Actually you can draw and fire before the bad guy can pull the trigger. But you better be practiced and know you're betting your life on 1/4 second. But yes, it's possible and probable with a good man.
And I would add that if you conceal carry or open carry you had better practice. Chances are if you have to use your gun, you're going to be starting behind the curve so to speak.

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+1 on practice. That is also what concerns me with open carry, failure of those who will open carry to practice weapon retention.

I beg to differ with SGT John in that if you know the limitations of your abilities and restraints - carry whatever you can and be practiced with it. Two guns, a gun w/1 in the pipe, gun w/o1 in the pipe, knife, big stick, whatever gives you an advantage of any kind.

And xXRiflemanXx, I think the real problem is moral decay. They (thugs) believe they are entitled to have the nice things displayed on TV & store windows and they see nothing wrong with getting these things any way possible. TV/movies/music portray he who takes as being a hero of some sort. Reputation, possessions, power, influence, self-importance, on and on.

Not trolling, just giving my viewpoint. All good discussion here.

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+1 on practice. That is also what concerns me with open carry, failure of those who will open carry to practice weapon retention.

I beg to differ with SGT John in that if you know the limitations of your abilities and restraints - carry whatever you can and be practiced with it. Two guns, a gun w/1 in the pipe, gun w/o1 in the pipe, knife, big stick, whatever gives you an advantage of any kind.

And xXRiflemanXx, I think the real problem is moral decay. They (thugs) believe they are entitled to have the nice things displayed on TV & store windows and they see nothing wrong with getting these things any way possible. TV/movies/music portray he who takes as being a hero of some sort. Reputation, possessions, power, influence, self-importance, on and on.

Not trolling, just giving my viewpoint. All good discussion here.

Absolutely.

This country was founded on judeo-christian principles which now today are demonized and many forms of media and by segments of the society at large. Without getting into religion too heavily I believe the main failing of atheism is that it provides no basis for morality of any kind. There is no outside force to mandate a person's drive for a higher purpose . It's been proven time and time again governments are unable regulate morality and it's foolishness to believe any system these thugs would support( I'm looking at you anti-freedom leftists) would strive for that purpose outside of vague and misguided calls for equality.

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