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Old March 27th, 2017, 08:08 PM   #1
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What do you carry when you are in grizzly country

What do you carry on your hip when you are out and about in grizzly country?


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Old March 27th, 2017, 08:11 PM   #2
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Old March 27th, 2017, 08:16 PM   #3
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Carried a 454 on my hip but relied on my 300 WinMag since I was hunting mulies

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Old March 27th, 2017, 08:21 PM   #4
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Old March 27th, 2017, 08:23 PM   #5
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Depends. If I can carry a rifle I take my Marlin 45-70 Guide Gun with cast bullets and stiff charge of RL-7. If I'm relagated to a side arm, I take my Freedom Arms 4 3/4" barreled 454 Casull with 335 grain hard cast bullets loaded with a stiff charge of H110. AND, I can run faster than my wife.......but don't tell her. :/

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Old March 28th, 2017, 05:31 AM   #6
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somebody who runs slower than i do
Might be hard to find someone slower when you got that MR BFR 45/70 on you. That's quite a firearm. How's it kick for a follow up shot?

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Old March 28th, 2017, 07:07 AM   #7
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I would suggest getting something that's easy to carry, instead of the biggest and the badest. If it isn't comfortable for you to carry you want carry it. I wouldnt feel vulnerable with a Glock 20 or any other hi cap 10mm with hot loads, or a nice 2,3or 4 inch 44mag. If I knew for sure I was going to be in grizz country for extended periods of time, I would have a 870 with a short barrel full of slugs.

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Old March 28th, 2017, 08:34 AM   #8
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I have lived in Grizzly country.
I spent a year inside Jasper National Park ( where the Grizz have more legal rights than the human beans), and 4 years in Northern BC, in small towns where you might find a Grizz in your back yard, raiding your Blackberries, or getting drunk on fermented windfall apples. In my experience, and in the opinons of most Northern community residents, PEACEFUL COEXISTANCE is possible and preferable, with the Conservation Officers called out as little as possible.

One of my buddies was a CO, who loved animals and still cried when he had to shoot a Grizz. He used a .40 S&W on them, shot behind the ear, on the three time losers who were caught in a culvert trap. First offense tresspassing on human turf, ( eg; hanging around the town dump) the bear gets a big orange paint spot, and relocated a few hundred klicks into the wild. Second offense, a circle painted around the spot. Third offense, mr Bear has another ring ... literally a target painted on him. After that he is considered incorrigible, and is overdue to become a rug.

For free ranging bears, who can move unbelievably quick, and do not stop easily, the preferred solution was a 12 Ga with buck/slug/ buck/slug. A Grizz may do a false charge, as a bluff, and MAY turn away at around 20 yds. MAYBE! Most CO's were reluctant to shoot unless the charge was real. So long range shots were not as common as up close and personal, in your face scenarios. Most if my buddy's free range kills were during salmon counts, where he had to wander down streams in thick brush, and SURPRISE encounters with VERY BIG Grizz inevitably happened. Bears will defend their section of a stream, and he reluctantly had to kill over 30 Grizz in self defense.
And he still cried when he talked about it.

HOWEVER,
When I went traipsing about in Grizzly territory, I carried along a 110 lb German Shepherd, who instinctively jumped between me and the Bar. This type of scenario was common when hiking or mountain biking in Jasper ( happened to me personaly three times) and once again near Smithers BC. The Smithers Grizz was encountered on a remote hike in second growth, and it had the orange target on it. One of the hikers was carrying a custom built 6" barreled SS RANDAL Govt model pistol in .45 SUPER, loaded with 230 Hornady FP bullets exiting at 1200 fps. The dog turned the bear and happily the pistol was not needed.

But we all puckered up considerably for the rest of the hike back. And my Chinese friends visiting from Hong Kong had a story to tell.

PPS: While I have experience at hunting bears for trophies, I would no longer shoot a bear unless it was self defense. Too few of the majestic critters left.
These days I prefer to hunt with a camera.

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Old March 28th, 2017, 09:01 AM   #10
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A .22LR is all you need. You don't need to outrun the bear, you only need to outrun your buddy. A .22 to the leg does the trick.


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Old March 28th, 2017, 09:08 AM   #11
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Grizz is a magnificent animal and I wasn't asking for hunting purposes. I could never hunt a grizz.
I was asking more for the hikers or trout fisherman who might be focused more on fly fishing than what might get up behind them.

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I have lived in Grizzly country.
I spent a year inside Jasper National Park ( where the Grizz have more legal rights than the human beans), and 4 years in Northern BC, in small towns where you might find a Grizz in your back yard, raiding your Blackberries, or getting drunk on fermented windfall apples. In my experience, and in the opinons of most Northern community residents, PEACEFUL COEXISTANCE is possible and preferable, with the Conservation Officers called out as little as possible.

One of my buddies was a CO, who loved animals and still cried when he had to shoot a Grizz. He used a .40 S&W on them, shot behind the ear, on the three time losers who were caught in a culvert trap. First offense tresspassing on human turf, ( eg; hanging around the town dump) the bear gets a big orange paint spot, and relocated a few hundred klicks into the wild. Second offense, a circle painted around the spot. Third offense, mr Bear has another ring ... literally a target painted on him. After that he is considered incorrigible, and is overdue to become a rug.

For free ranging bears, who can move unbelievably quick, and do not stop easily, the preferred solution was a 12 Ga with buck/slug/ buck/slug. A Grizz may do a false charge, as a bluff, and MAY turn away at around 20 yds. MAYBE! Most CO's were reluctant to shoot unless the charge was real. So long range shots were not as common as up close and personal, in your face scenarios. Most if my buddy's free range kills were during salmon counts, where he had to wander down streams in thick brush, and SURPRISE encounters with VERY BIG Grizz inevitably happened. Bears will defend their section of a stream, and he reluctantly had to kill over 30 Grizz in self defense.
And he still cried when he talked about it.

HOWEVER,
When I went traipsing about in Grizzly territory, I carried along a 110 lb German Shepherd, who instinctively jumped between me and the Bar. This type of scenario was common when hiking or mountain biking in Jasper ( happened to me personaly three times) and once again near Smithers BC. The Smithers Grizz was encountered on a remote hike in second growth, and it had the orange target on it. One of the hikers was carrying a custom built 6" barreled SS RANDAL Govt model pistol in .45 SUPER, loaded with 230 Hornady FP bullets exiting at 1200 fps. The dog turned the bear and happily the pistol was not needed.

But we all puckered up considerably for the rest of the hike back. And my Chinese friends visiting from Hong Kong had a story to tell.

PPS: While I have experience at hunting bears for trophies, I would no longer shoot a bear unless it was self defense. Too few of the majestic critters left.
These days I prefer to hunt with a camera.

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Old March 28th, 2017, 09:09 AM   #12
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I have another buddy who spent decades working as a timber cruiser in the Cioastel areas of BC. He ALWAYS carried a 6" S&W .44 MAG.
ALWAYS!!

He has killed a few BIG Grizz with his .44 Mag, some of them tearing up his camp, and unaware he was there, and a couple charging. He says potting a Grizz from.behind with a .44 Mag is easy, but when the bear is coming at you, NOTHING you can hold in one hand will seem adequate.

PS: These days, this guy does most of his hunting with a bow.

Another guy I know works as a faller. He had me buikd him a custom 10 mm Delra Elite for his lunch box.
Didn't nake a lot of sense to me as a bear woukd more likely be more interested in a lunch box than a smelly ol lumberjack, but it made him feel safer.

And a BC certified Grizzly guide I knew never carried a pistol. He relied completely on his .45-70 Marlin Gude gun. He figured he could crank the lever faster than he could draw a pistol.
He felt safe without a pustol.

These are the voicees of genuine experience, from people who live and work in Grizz country

Realistically keep some oerspective here.
FOR EVERY HUMAN.KILLED BY A BEAR, PROBABLY A THOUSAND BEARS ARE KILLED BY HUMANS. AND IN FACT, EVERY YEAR MORE PEOPLE ARE KILLED BY BEES THAN BEARS.
BTDT more than once.
Seen the Bar up.close, slobbering, gnashing his teeth, and deciding whether to chsrge or not.
So far a good dog has been all I really needed.
But if I ever went back to the True North, a .45 SUPER GLOCK might be a nice good luck charm as well.

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Old March 28th, 2017, 09:22 AM   #13
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I always make a lot of noise, have a few hundred pounds of dog near at hand, and carry bear spray. I have a Sub-2000 with 22 rounds of .40 inside the camper in case a Griz wants in at night.

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He has killed a few BIG Grizz with his .44 Mag, some of them tearing up his camp, and unaware he was there, and a couple charging. He says potting a Grizz from.behind with a .44 Mag is easy, but when the bear is coming at you, NOTHING you can hold in one hand will seem adequate
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Grizz is a magnificent animal and I wasn't asking for hunting purposes. I could never hunt a grizz.
I was asking more for the hikers or trout fisherman who might be focused more on fly fishing than what might get up behind them.
A stream is often the most dangerous place to run into a Grizz. The sound of the rushing water can mask the noise of your approach, and thick brush can obscure and limit vision to uncomfortably close range.

SURPRISE!

And a bear WILL often defend his fishing spot, especially if surprised.
One CO tells a story about the time he was gutting a fish, filet knife in hand, and turned around just in time to stab a small black bear standing behind him and reaching for him. That bear was an aberration, but when they did the autopsy, they found a human foot still in a boot inside his stomache.

One of my photographer buddies found out the hard way about bears and their territorial instincts, when a salmon fishing Grizz heard the sound of the motor drive on his camera over the running water( (yes the idiot was THAT close) and chased him 400 yds back to his car. Fortunately he had borrowed my dog for the day, and the dog kept cutting between him and the Grizz.

That dog ate steak for a week.
(;-)

I n my long ago younger days, I was backup to a buddy hunting Grizz along a salmon stream, with thick willows. A long shot would have been 25 yds. We could hear him snorting and snuffling but could not see him And in fact, he was circling us. There was some question as to who was hunting whom? We found paw prints the size of dinner plates with claw marks as long as fingers, over top of our boot tracks. The BC COASTEL Grizz feast on salmon, and they can get BIG!!

I was arned with a Rem 600 bolt action in .308 Win. He had another bolt rifle in .300 Win Mag. I certainly did not feel comfortable with my gun, and the next day came back armed with a 12 ga pump, buck/slug/buck/slug.

No bear sighted that trip, and given the very close range involved in those thick willows, possibly a good thing.

Then there was the time my wife and I spotted a MAGNIFICENT and MASSIVE Grizz sunning himself on a bank at the side of a remote logging road. This guy was BEAUTIFUL ...Fawn colored body with dark mask and paws. He looked like a giant Siamese cat on steroids.

So we stopped our Soft top Suzuki Samurai, ( we were basically spam in a can) about 40 yds away, grabbed the camera, and started taking pics. You could almost hear the wheels turning inside his head ..."Who do those arrogant SOBs think they are to interrupt my sun bathing?"

Then he made his decision and EXPLODED into action. Fortunately for us he chose to head UP hill, away from us, instead of taking the easy way, down the bank to check out "spam in a can ".

Before I met her, my wife once spent an entire night in a tent, in a very remote area, with a bear snuffling round and round. She was TERRIFIED ( AND FASCINATED) by bears. And after we married, we NEVER went camping or hiking without a gun, usually an H&R TOPPER single shot in 12 ga. And in a decade of wandering around in bear country, I never ever had to fire that shotgun ( although once it did get cocked).

Then there was the time ...
You get the idea.

Bear stories, like fish stories just keep getting bigger and better.
And some of them may even be true.

But in the real world, you are sratistically many many times more likely to be killed.by an incompetent Doctor, than you are by a bear.

Maybe, in reality, we should be carrying in the hospitals and Dr's offices instead of the wilderness?

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