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Old March 29th, 2017, 02:33 PM   #46
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She is only about 5'2" and slender so fighting was not really an option, and she did not have time to run. The bear saw her as FOOD, live food. Just stallked her, attacked her by surprise from behind, pinned her down, and started in chewing.

She curled up in a ball and played dead while the bear stripped the meat on her back, buttock, and left thigh down nearly to the bone.

I stopped asking questions ( She was still comfirtable talking about it but I got a bit squeamish after seeing the scars) so we never did discuss how the attack ended.
She is one TOUGH little woman. And I mean tough INSIDE. I do not think I could handle her experience any where near as well as she does.
That's the kind of story that shuts down any other stories going around at the ol cocktail party.

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Old March 29th, 2017, 02:38 PM   #47
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I would think the desert eagle in the .50 would likely be a quick controlled shooter.

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When we used to shoot bowling pins, we ran 4 stages at 7 yds and one stage at 100 yds.
Pistol, revolver, shotgun, carbine, and rifle.

FIVE PINS, CLEAN HITS, push the HEAVY MAPLE pins 3' straight back to fall.
Simple ... just do this as fast as you can pull.the trigger.

This was, IMHO, a serious test of D/V/C basics.
If the perfect balance between SPEED/ POWER / ACCURACY was not all there,
then those dam pins would mercilessly mock you.
No excuses, no "mulligans", just you, five pins, and a stop watch ...
And all your shooting buddies watching and laughing? Or cheering?

Excellent practice, under light pressure, for PRACTICAL shooting, with none of the complicated "tactical" running and romping around.

BASIC skills that could serve as the foundation for the more nimble Ipsc and IDPA type shoots.

Obviously, the shotguns usually posted the quickest times at the 7 yd tables
Then the carbines ( surprised?)
Then the pistols
Then the revolvers

Five pins STRAIGHT at 100 yds QUICKLY is a manly feat.
And most shooters went prone and/or used a bipod.
I used a soft recoiling compensated AR 10, with a trigger job and a scope. .308 168 gr HPBT MATCH ammo did the job if I did my part. Anything under 10 seconds was competitive.

I also used the same AR 10 on the 7yd carbine stage, but the bug bore/ pistol calibre THUMPERS had an advantage here. Best time came from a semi auto Ruger .44 Mag carbine, but some of the lever action guys did well here. Mini 14s and AR 15s were pathetic. The pins would usually just wobble, or fall over, and dozens of extra shots were often needed to push those stubborn pins 3' back and off the table.

Big bore Semi auto pistols were easier to shoot FAST than the revolvers of equivalent power. The revolvers tended to have more muzzle flip, and took longer to come back down. But if you got the timing and cadence just right, some pretty impressive revolver shooting was displayed.

I used a .44 Mag Redhawk 7", magnaported, with a slicked up DA trigger pull that stacked almist like a single action. I had tried several S&W 29 and 25 revolvers before going to the Redhawks, but THE S&W BIG BORE REVOLVERS DID NOT STAND UP WELL TO LOTS AND LOTS OF FAST DOUBLE ACTION WITH HEAVY LOADS.

My pistol was a SS RANDALL 6", compensated, in .45 SUPER. I coukd clean the table quicker and more consistently with the .45 SUPER than I coukd with the Ruger.

So what does all this have to do with bears?

While the .44 MAG coukd be loaded up a bit hotter and heavier than the .45 SUPER, I was getting eight fast, controllable shots off with 230 gr Hornady flat point solids at about 1200 fps. For a bear pistol, I would prefer weight and penetration over expansion, and 230 gr solids at well over the speed of sound, in a CONTROLLABLE platform, made sense to me. So my .45 SUPER 1911 AUTO replaced my Redhawk as my go to bear pistol. The Randall was also significantly easier to carry than the Redhawk = boat anchor.

But, as proven with a table full of pins and a stop watch, a shotgun is usally quicker on close range fast targets than any pistol. And much more powerful. My CO buddies always recommended BUCKSHOT as first in the chamber, followed by slug/buck/slug. The first REACTIVE/INSTINCTIVE shot of buck was into the bear's face, to blind and stun and STOP the bear IMMEDIATELY, and anchor him for the more carefully aimed deep pentrating slug. And the preferred slug was the ultra velocity solid copper sabots, which turned into a lethal buzz saw on impact, and cut deep and wide.

I.have never personally shot a bear with a copper sabot slug, but the guys who gave me this advjce shoot bears as part of their jobs.
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Old March 29th, 2017, 02:40 PM   #48
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12 gauge. Loaded with heavy slugs. No stock just pistol grip. Big holes!

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I have the S&W 460V for protection from bears. If the bullet doesn't stop it the flame that comes out of the barrel, along with the sound, is another deterrent.

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I have the S&W 460V for protection from bears. If the bullet doesn't stop it the flame that comes out of the barrel, along with the sound, is another deterrent.

https://www.smith-wesson.com/firearm...60v-revolver-5
Mike, how do you like that 460? I've had my eye on the for awhile.
How's the kick when you shoot heavies? If you could buy again, would you prefer the 8" barrel?

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Mike, how do you like that 460? I've had my eye on the for awhile.
How's the kick when you shoot heavies? If you could buy again, would you prefer the 8" barrel?
It's awesome... The recoil is more of a push back rather than a chop, if that makes any sense to you. The reason, due to the X frame size and weight. I chose the 5" for hiking and back packing. The 8" would be more cumbersome for maneuvering around. I can shoot mine one handed, double action, without any fuss. The heavier the bullet, the more push back you'll feel, but manageable.

Try it, you'll like it.


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Old March 30th, 2017, 07:13 PM   #52
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45/70 1895 GS marlin with buffalo bore
S&W performance center 44 snub with some worked up hand loads.
Luckily have never " had" to use it ......but felt a lot safer with these, than a bear banger and hope.

You would be amazed how silent a bear can be given the size of these animals.

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Old March 30th, 2017, 07:36 PM   #53
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An Alaskan guide killed a Grizz with a 9mm pistol fairly recently, because it's what he had with him when the bear seemed intent upon attacking a client.

http://www.liveoutdoors.com/news/240...-9mm/#/slide/1

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Now, I will add on thing here. If I ever get the chance to hunt bear of any kind it will be with my Marlin SBL 45/70. My S&W 629 or 329PD 44 Mag will be backup and the bullet will be a 525gr Pile Driver. The first pic is of my SBL all ready for the elk hunt in 2014.













Here are a few others I have experimented with in 45-70.



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Old March 31st, 2017, 09:14 AM   #55
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Now that is a bear pill!

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