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Old March 12th, 2017, 09:41 PM   #1
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Zenith Z 5RS AKA MP5

This is my latest purchase, a MKE Z 5RS imported by Zenith Firearms from Turkey.

I kind of went back and forth on this a little. Right now there really is nothing interesting in the AK world to get that I don't already have. Sort of waiting to see what all the new administration will be doing as far as imports. This pistol interests me because it is made on a licensed HK production line, it is very easy to SBR(pull one pin, take off end cap, install stock, insert pin, can be done in less than a minute) after Form 1 approval of course, suppressor ready in either tri lug or threaded. My intent is to SBR(Form 1) and suppress this firearm. Because these are imported as pistols, they do not need the 922r bs and are more true to their original form, MP5. It will be nice to have something like this when I retire to the hill country and can shoot it off my porch and not piss off the neighbors.

I made a comment on a thread about a month ago that I was looking for one of these, there were no Z 5RS's available at the time. Blaine from Atlantic pm'd me and said that some were on the way. As soon as Atlantic Firearms had these available, the last week of February, I put my order into Atlantic. I received it the next week and today finally had a chance to shoot it.

One nice thing about these HK clones that Zenith is importing is that they come with stuff.

Nice hard case



Three magazines, German style cleaning kit, HK style 3 point sling, awesome manual, a birth certificate(it was made in February, very fresh) and a clamp on picatinny rail





Two spare pins are included. Unlike other HK clones, these have two pins, front and rear







MKE does a very nice job with these, I have owned HK's and shot MP5's and these pistols are well done











Yes it does come with a slim HK style handguard, these are not my favorite as they just do not protect the hand from the heat at the front of the receiver. I ordered a new old stock Pakistani Ordnance Factory(POF) HK wide handguard and three HK MP 5 POF magazines from RTG Parts



The POF mags are the same feel and weight as the MKE mags, there are just finished in a blue rather then the thicker finish that MKE uses.

Much better with the wide handguard



I also picked up a SB Tactical Brace, originally that was going on my P93 pistol but after I picked up the Z5RS I decided to use that, it will be in the meantime while I wait for the Form 1 approval.





I went to the range today and shot the Z5RS for the first time. I shot about 500 rounds, mixed ammo, mostly 115 gr. Absolutely zero malfunctions. There was no difference betwwen the MKE mags or the POF mags, both worked flawlessly. The MP 5 mags are very easy to load 30 rounds in unlike many other 9mm SMG mags.

Shooting the pistol with out the brace two hand is very easy, but a little awkward as all these types of firearms are. You hold it in front of you with a hand on the pistol grip and a hand on the fore stock so that you can get a sight picture and pull the trigger. Because of the weight and the size of the Z5RS it just kind of sits there in your hands and spits out the rounds.

Once you put the brace on it, you begin to see where the true fun lies. This is going to make an awesome little carbine! (once the Form 1 is approved)




I have shot MP5's a lot over the years and they are my most favorite full auto weapon. I could afford one but I can not justify the price of them, or for that matter any Class III firearm right now. This MKE Z5RS gives me the flavor of a MP5 without the cost or the drawbacks that an auto weapon has. This thing is a pistol, I can conceal carry it if I want! I am so impressed with this gun that I am thinking of buying another MKE, the Z43P 5.56 pistol, that would make an awesome SBR(after Form 1 approval of course) It would be replacement for my Century C93, which works very well even though it was made by trained monkeys.



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Old March 12th, 2017, 10:58 PM   #2
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I have been thinking about getting the MKE pistols too. I have a two of the HK94s with the god awful long barrels on them (I had bought them before ban). I keep thinking about SBRing them, but there is not a tri-lobe on them for a suppressor, so I would have to thread them, and I don't like that ideal. I have gunsmith that says he can "sleeve" a tri-lobe on, and I have bought a a couple de-milled barrel stubs for this purpose, but have not made the SBR commitment yet. Also the pressures required on the end of the barrels worry me. Also a HK94 sbr sells for a lower price than a long barreled version.
I know I can sell one of the HK94s and then buy 2 or 3 of the MKE pistols.
Just waiting on the NFA and what the Donald is going to do...

As a side note:
I have lost interest in my custom SW45X pistol (Special Weapons USA 45 ACP pistol built on a 10 mm pattern MP5 type receiver) that I bought a few years back. It was the early one that had the angled mag well instead of the straight vertical for grease gun mags.
It is an odd gun as it uses the 9mm bolt and 9mm carrier. The 9mm bolt was "wallard out" (not too good of a job milling it) to fit the 45ACP cartridge. Also the extractor was modified for the 45 ACP round too.

I bought some HK 10mm magazines (the 10mm round is about 1/2 mm shorter than the 45ACP round) that fit into to the magwell, and I then trimmed down the lips of the 10mm mag to work with the modified 9mm bolt, and it works quite nice but the ultimate fix is to use the 10mm bolt and carrier in which I will not have to modify the magazines to work with the gun. So I picked up a USA made 10mm bolt and carrier. But the trunion is also made from a 9MM type and the locking rollers on the 10mm are slightly higher to fit the higher groove in the the bolt for clearances with the 10mm magazines. So I was at that point where I did not want to replace the trunion with the 10mm version which would require a lot of milling out of the old trunion.

Well anyways congratulations on your MKE pistol.

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Old March 13th, 2017, 03:58 AM   #3
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MrMark99, the HK94's are mighty fine except for that 16" barrel! I have owned a IWI UZI carbine and a Sten semi and could never get used to that extra length barrel sticking out the front end. I have a Beretta CX4 carbine and a CMMG MK9LE but those aren't so bad.

You really don't want to chop a HK94 to make a SBR as you will lose quite a bit of value, better off selling one to a HK fan boy and picking up a MKE or a POF and using that for the SBR.

I am kind of waiting to see what the Donald and this administration will do in regards to the NFA. It sure would be nice to have suppressors and SBR's treated like any other fire arm and buy them from a FFL with a 4473.

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This is my latest purchase, a MKE Z 5RS imported by Zenith Firearms from Turkey.

I kind of went back and forth on this a little. Right now there really is nothing interesting in the AK world to get that I don't already have. Sort of waiting to see what all the new administration will be doing as far as imports. This pistol interests me because it is made on a licensed HK production line, it is very easy to SBR(pull one pin, take off end cap, install stock, insert pin, can be done in less than a minute) after Form 1 approval of course, suppressor ready in either tri lug or threaded. My intent is to SBR(Form 1) and suppress this firearm. Because these are imported as pistols, they do not need the 922r bs and are more true to their original form, MP5. It will be nice to have something like this when I retire to the hill country and can shoot it off my porch and not piss off the neighbors.

I made a comment on a thread about a month ago that I was looking for one of these, there were no Z 5RS's available at the time. Blaine from Atlantic pm'd me and said that some were on the way. As soon as Atlantic Firearms had these available, the last week of February, I put my order into Atlantic. I received it the next week and today finally had a chance to shoot it.

One nice thing about these HK clones that Zenith is importing is that they come with stuff.

Nice hard case



Three magazines, German style cleaning kit, HK style 3 point sling, awesome manual, a birth certificate(it was made in February, very fresh) and a clamp on picatinny rail





Two spare pins are included. Unlike other HK clones, these have two pins, front and rear







MKE does a very nice job with these, I have owned HK's and shot MP5's and these pistols are well done











Yes it does come with a slim HK style handguard, these are not my favorite as they just do not protect the hand from the heat at the front of the receiver. I ordered a new old stock Pakistani Ordnance Factory(POF) HK wide handguard and three HK MP 5 POF magazines from RTG Parts



The POF mags are the same feel and weight as the MKE mags, there are just finished in a blue rather then the thicker finish that MKE uses.

Much better with the wide handguard



I also picked up a SB Tactical Brace, originally that was going on my P93 pistol but after I picked up the Z5RS I decided to use that, it will be in the meantime while I wait for the Form 1 approval.





I went to the range today and shot the Z5RS for the first time. I shot about 500 rounds, mixed ammo, mostly 115 gr. Absolutely zero malfunctions. There was no difference betwwen the MKE mags or the POF mags, both worked flawlessly. The MP 5 mags are very easy to load 30 rounds in unlike many other 9mm SMG mags.

Shooting the pistol with out the brace two hand is very easy, but a little awkward as all these types of firearms are. You hold it in front of you with a hand on the pistol grip and a hand on the fore stock so that you can get a sight picture and pull the trigger. Because of the weight and the size of the Z5RS it just kind of sits there in your hands and spits out the rounds.

Once you put the brace on it, you begin to see where the true fun lies. This is going to make an awesome little carbine! (once the Form 1 is approved)




I have shot MP5's a lot over the years and they are my most favorite full auto weapon. I could afford one but I can not justify the price of them, or for that matter any Class III firearm right now. This MKE Z5RS gives me the flavor of a MP5 without the cost or the drawbacks that an auto weapon has. This thing is a pistol, I can conceal carry it if I want! I am so impressed with this gun that I am thinking of buying another MKE, the Z43P 5.56 pistol, that would make an awesome SBR(after Form 1 approval of course) It would be replacement for my Century C93, which works very well even though it was made by trained monkeys.

Nice trio you have there. Need to get a PTR 91 in that tree at the top.

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Nice trio you have there. Need to get a PTR 91 in that tree at the top.
I have a PTR91 GI R, it was in the other safe and did not make it into the latest group photo


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Very nice roller lock family, very nice

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it is very easy to SBR(pull one pin, take off end cap, install stock, insert pin, can be done in less than a minute) after Form 1 approval of course, suppressor ready in either tri lug or threaded. My intent is to SBR(Form 1) and suppress this firearm. Because these are imported as pistols, they do not need the 922r bs and are more true to their original form,
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As an imported pistol it doesn't need 922r compliance but to SBR it does. Recent thread on hkpro zenith z-5p compatibility with u.s. Parts with the sole reason 922r compliance. Sorry 4 the buzz kill. Nice write up, nice family.

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As an imported pistol it doesn't need 922r compliance but to SBR it does. Recent thread on hkpro zenith z-5p compatibility with u.s. Parts with the sole reason 922r compliance. Sorry 4 the buzz kill. Nice write up, nice family.
Oh I know that that once you convert it to A SBR that technically you would need to bring it up to comply with 922r standards for the 922r police. It is just that they do not need to jump through the hoops to import this as a pistol that they would need to if it was a rifle. They are much slower in importing the rifle version of the MP5 and the 5.56mm.

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That picture with the Sig Brace sure highlights the absurdity of the current NFA laws regarding SBRs.

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That picture with the Sig Brace sure highlights the absurdity of the current NFA laws regarding SBRs.
I agree, the NFA needs to be overhauled. SBR's and suppressors should be sold by an FFL with a 4473, I hope that changes can be made.

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I agree, the NFA needs to be overhauled. SBR's and suppressors should be sold by an FFL with a 4473, I hope that changes can be made.
Agreed and I know this will piss a lot of gun owners off.
But I would still be willing to pay the $200 for the tax stamp at the point of sale.

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Agreed and I know this will piss a lot of gun owners off.
But I would still be willing to pay the $200 for the tax stamp at the point of sale.
Absolutely, so would I.

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Thanks for the write up on this. I've also seen these in a magazine write up as well but I trust your opinion over some guy in print. I will probably be looking into one of these more seriously now.

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Thanks for the write up on this. I've also seen these in a magazine write up as well but I trust your opinion over some guy in print. I will probably be looking into one of these more seriously now.
Thanks, Thor! These MKE HK clones are really nice, they are pricey but I think that you are getting what you pay for.

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Thanks, Thor! These MKE HK clones are really nice, they are pricey but I think that you are getting what you pay for.
Quality over quantity is never a bad thing.

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