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Old March 5th, 2017, 07:46 PM   #31
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I knew they hit financial trouble, but all this is near depressing. Surprised to see that 6933 with the lower in the out of box shape it was in, but they guy said they're replacing it. Some 15 mos. ago I asked guys here for advice breaking a tie between buying a LE6920 vs. comparable BCM and RRA and as usual got even more than I could sometimes even understand as never had an AR, but had fired them. Anyway I went with the 6920 removable handle off rail. It shouts quality and looks NOTHING like that 6933. Shoots like a straight line bat out of hell even with lighter 55 gr. w/the 1:7 barrel. The ONLY trouble I had was trying to figure out that RBSZ zero procedure for the 16" barrel which got so disgusted with wound up zeroing 25M which is fine. Got it NIB off a guy on GB in Fl. with a new Surefire 60 and extra handguard. H/Guard looks new, but make isn't stamped anywhere on it. Bought it right at the end of the removable handle runs. Guess I got lucky reading all this. I'd hate to see Colt go under. For several reasons.


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Old March 6th, 2017, 03:36 AM   #32
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I have my Colts and have my Uberti's. My Uberti's run circles around Colt. It's a shame too, Colt should have the SAA market dominated...but they failed, and always will fail. Currently Colt's Custom Shop has shut down and no longer accepts new orders for custom engraved new SAA's, which there was a 2 year back order on. I currently have a new revolver ordered from Cimarron which will be fully hand engraved by the Master Craftsmen in Italy....It will be a work of art and then I'll post up photos whenever it gets here. I have my working irons below that I Open carry daily, but wanted a BBQ revolver for those dress up occasions. Colt is too shortsighted and dumb, they could have continued to manufacture their SAA's in various models of their past history...but alas they don't. Uberti took that over and make better SAA's that sell.





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I have the latest offering in my Marine Corps CQBP M45A1 by Colt which I love. It's a shame they may be on the downward spiral of failure. Let's hope they get their heads out of the sand and recover quickly.


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April 2017 Guns and Ammo has the new Colt Cobra revolver .They are reporting a retail of 7 hundred and it is 6 shot 38special +p.They are saying Cobra is going to be a full line with variations to come .

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they need to mve to the carolinas or bama,where life is cheaper

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Plus one vote for Colt moving down here .Then again I am having a time getting a hamburger made right around here lately

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Old March 7th, 2017, 04:45 PM   #37
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I have purchased 6 Colt 1911s since 2012. They are very high quality. Definitely better quality than I've seen from other mentioned companies. I wouldn't put them over Les Baer or Dan Wesson, but they are right in the mix. Do not hesitate to buy a Colt. Also, if you talk to a lot of gunsmiths about upgrading other companies 1911s you will have to change out parts where as if you have a Colt they will work on existing parts because of quality. That is my experience with their 1911s. Cannot comment on their ARs or Cowboy guns cause I dont have any.

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I think the "custom shop" idea was a real loser. Handguns came out of the custom shop at way inflated prices that an average guy couldn't afford and owners were afraid to shoot for fear of getting a scratch.

They had the SAA market could have modernized manufacturing sold them for the masses and Uberi, Ruger and others might not have gained a foothold.

Same thing with the pythons and other revolvers. They could have learned from S&W which makes a fine revolver even with cheapened manufacturing, i.e. sleeved barrels, MIM parts, frame mounted firing pin, no counter bored cylinders, etc.

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I have purchased 6 Colt 1911s since 2012. They are very high quality. Definitely better quality than I've seen from other mentioned companies. I wouldn't put them over Les Baer or Dan Wesson, but they are right in the mix. Do not hesitate to buy a Colt. Also, if you talk to a lot of gunsmiths about upgrading other companies 1911s you will have to change out parts where as if you have a Colt they will work on existing parts because of quality. That is my experience with their 1911s. Cannot comment on their ARs or Cowboy guns cause I dont have any.
I can tell you my Colt Series 70 made around 2010 shoots every bit as well as my Les Baer bought in 2005. They both do what they are supposed to, put rounds on target accurately and function as a garbage can, in other words eat whatever type of ammo is put in it.

I like Les Baer guns even though I feel they are fit unnecessarily tight. I used to feel you got a lot of value with Les Baer when I got my brand new Concept II for $1250. Now I question their value when I see prices at $2500 or more for many of their models.

For example, I'm in the market for a new .38 Super. Colt's barrels have always been good in my experience. What does Les Baer, Wilson, or Nighthawk get me when I can buy a new Colt Competition Model for $900? Even with an action job stuffed with EGW tool steel parts, I'm still only paying around $150 for parts and maybe another $100 for smith work. Throw in an EGW extractor and maybe a feed ramp polish and throat job on the Colt and I've still got lots of money left for ammo versus buying one of the semi custom guns.

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What does Les Baer, Wilson, or Nighthawk get me when I can buy a new Colt Competition Model for $900? Even with an action job stuffed with EGW tool steel parts, I'm still only paying around $150 for parts and maybe another $100 for smith work. Throw in an EGW extractor and maybe a feed ramp polish and throat job on the Colt and I've still got lots of money left for ammo versus buying one of the semi custom guns.
Accuracy, way less MIM parts (as you mention), much hand fitting, way higher quality overall.
No out of the box Colt Competion model can stand up to my SAI FBI Professional model, in any aspect.
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I've done my part to help Colt. I own 4 and have had ZERO issues. 2 Goverment models, 1 in 9mm, 1 in 45, a Gold Cup Trophy, and a Commander, which is one of my carry guns.

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I shot my ONLY 'revolver' 40 x 40 on a half size shilouette range many years ago with an old 6" Colt Python .357 that was loaned to me and loved it.

My '80's series/era 1911 was/is not as sweet

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Accuracy, way less MIM parts (as you mention), much hand fitting, way higher quality overall.
No out of the box Colt Competion model can stand up to my SAI FBI Professional model, in any aspect.
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Unless you are buying the 1.5" Baer guarantee there is no magic unicorn that automatically makes a Baer more accurate than a Colt.

As far as the MIM goes I'm glad you mentioned that. Colt uses bar stock hammers, slide stops, proper spring steel extractors, sear springs, and bar stock pins. They have used MIM disconnectors and sears just like Kimber and S&W. Then again Colt hasn't really had a problem with their MIM parts like Kimber has. But if this bothers you, like I said buy an action kit from EGW or C&S and still save money over Baer, Wilson, Nighthawk, etc.

Please explain "way higher quality." By the way, sorry to break the news,
but the SAI Professional model had many MIM parts in it to include mag release, firing pin stop, disconnector, and worst of all the slide stop. Better get to work changing out those MIM parts on your $2k+ gun.

Having worked for the G, believe me when I tell you that being selected for a handgun contract isn't always a glowing recommendation of quality or excellence, witness Sig.

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Per Colt's website, The Competition model doesn't even have frontstrap checkering, a magwell, let alone a 1 piece checkered mainspring housing magwell, doesn't mention any hand fitting or a trigger job, doesn't mention any accuracy guarantee, my Professional model feels like the slide is on ball bearings and is as tight as hell. That's where some of the extra money goes.
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Better get to work changing out those MIM parts on your $2k+ gun.
Yes, Sir. As soon as we shoot for pinks and I take your Colt!
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