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Old March 5th, 2017, 05:58 AM   #16
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I'm remembering back to the 1990's, when Colt seemed all too wiling to play along with the gun bans, and their AR's started sporting oversized pins in the trigger group and that ridiculous block, they seemed to have this attitude back then they didn't need their civilian customer base. It was all a turn-off for me.

Only recently did I go back and purchase an LE6920 before elections simply because I wanted one, the quality was still good, but, I noticed they'd outsourced and using P&S furniture which seemed a bit odd, but, that was OK as it matched the P&S USGI RAS rail I was installing anyway.

I'll be sorry to see an icon like Colt go away, but, they kinda shot themselves in the foot with their prices and not taking care of the civilian market IMHO...

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Colt did a really fantastic job of marketing with their "Colt Quality" ads and a lot of people really bought into that Kool-aide. Unfortunately, they did not keep up with their own hype. Quality went down drastically in the mid '70's and it never recovered. Comparing my 1969 vintage Colt 1911 to a new Colt 1911, there is a night and day difference in both fit and finish! Comparing an early Python to a S&W, the Python would come out on top every time, not so with the later Pythons. Colt single actions, quality was ok but not great in the 3rd gen., it really dropped with the 4th gen. Uberti makes a better single action than Colt and at 1/3 the price! I have owned a LOT of Colt's over the years and it was rare when I did not have to tune something on them, even when they came out of the custom shop, the only exceptions were pre-'70 1911's, one SAA from the custom shop, a King Cobra and the early pythons. I'm not even going to get into the reason the Colt H-Bar has been exempted from all the bans.

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Old March 5th, 2017, 06:04 AM   #18
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Colt has been depending on government contracts and not paying attention to the civilian market like other firearm manufacturers. Their quality control leaves a lot to be desired and it has been that way for several years. This is an example of a Colt carbine manufactured in 2016. The receiver looks like it was cut with a hatchet. http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_2_29/28...uality---.html

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This one is over a hundred years old. Back when Colt meant something.



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You just made my day Art. Nice looking weapon.

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Old March 5th, 2017, 07:36 AM   #21
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Colt will likely lay all the blame on labor pay and issues (union), however that doesn't account for the fact that company management had golden opportunities to fill voids in the civilian firearms marketplace that they ignored to focus on sucking off the government teat.

Civilian AR 15 sales blew up all around them. Others innovated and were able to produce affordable rifles. Meanwhile Colt threw civilian gunowners under the bus for political favor and government contracts.

Cowboy action shooting blew up. Colt, the originators of the SAA and dominators of the modern firearms market during the 19th century, sat on their hands while Uberti and others made bank off the very designs Colt was made famous for.

The 1911? S.S.D.D.

The sad thing about the while thing is the executives who made these stupid decisions will land on their feet to make stupid decisions elsewhere while a 160 year old American company dies. Further proof Crony Capitalism isn't real Capitalism.

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Old March 5th, 2017, 08:25 AM   #22
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My first 1911 was a 1980's Colt... it sure was a looker, but it was a piece of junk. The prancing pony on the flank allowed me to get what I paid for it... and I went out and bought a Springfield, and then a Kimber, and pretty much never looked at Colt again.

I can't tell you exactly what went wrong with Colt... it is certainly more than just one thing, split between military and commercial, magnified by material cost and labor, multiplied by poor marketing... it was inevitable in this day and age.

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All the gun companies depend on the government contracts, first it was Berretts, then FN Manufacturing, and Now Colt. employee layoff suck, Poor management, I went through it with FN. Happy shooting

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Colt has been a major supplier of firearms to the military since the War of Northern Aggression...

However, up until WW2, their primary market was the civilian one.

After WW2, they failed to get the military machine gun contacts that were so lucrative. Before the war they supplied M2s, M1917s, M1919s, and M1918s as well as pistols. After the war, places like Ramo (M85), Saco/Marmont (M60, M73), GM Hydramatic (M39 20mm), GE (M61, 20mm and others) and Hughes (M242 and M230) began to get the machine gun business and the Army wasn't buying pistols. The only major military product was the M16.

When FN began to encroach on the M16 and later the M4 markets, the withdrawal from the civilian market began to tell.

They need to move away from Hartford, CT....and go back to their Roots, as in, hire more people like E. K. Root.
Colt was in financial trouble in 1959. What bailed them out then was they purchased the rights for the AR15 from Armalite. Convinced the Air Force to buy AR15s to replace the M2 carbines and the rest is history.

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From my personal experience the Colt 1911's in the seventies and eighties were disappointing. I purchased a new 1911 in January of last year. This pistol is head and shoulders above what I had before. Grade it any way you wish it's a better pistol.

I hope Colt gets itself straightened out. They will never make the cheapest 1911 but I think they do make the best value 1911.

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Colt fell from a leader in their field with the two major sellers of the last 20 years...the AR and 1911 platforms to a middle of the road supplier in quality at best. Both of their "mainstays" have been surpassed in quality and even better pricing in many cases.

Coming from an old "Colt guy"...this hurts to admit but...it is a hard fact.

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Check out the March American Rifleman for an article on the new Colt Cobra .38 +P

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I think that they should look more into their revolvers again.
Check out the March 2017 American Rifleman for an article on the new Colt Cobra SS .38 +P six round revolver. "KEEFE REPORT" page 8.

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Colt was in financial trouble in 1959. What bailed them out then was they purchased the rights for the AR15 from Armalite. Convinced the Air Force to buy AR15s to replace the M2 carbines and the rest is history.
By 1959, the M60, M39 and M85 contracts had been awarded. The Army was up to their elbows in M1911s.

Seeing as they bought the rights to the AR for $75,000, as bad a shape as Colt was in, Fairchild and Armalite were in worse shape.

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Last year I got a decent tax return and I was on the look out for a Colt AR-15 a4. After searching for about 2 months for Colt to make and distribute some into the market I finally gave up. I saved about $250 and bought a 20" FN-15 instead, couldn't be happier with it.

Of course now about a year later I get e mail notices that the Colt AR-15 a4 are in stock from time to time. Oh well

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No matter what, the Colt name will always have a certain mystique attached to it. I'd love to have a vintage 1911 with the prancing pony on the slide but so would everyone else so $$$$ : (
Until then my Springfields do everything I need them to do so I suppose I'll have to make do.

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