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Old February 27th, 2017, 08:22 PM   #16
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but it still works better than a colt 1911
That's almost funny, I have a 88 year old factory stock Colt 1911 with original magazine that runs great. I wander how many 88 year factory stock Glocks will be out there still running?

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but it still works better than a colt 1911
Well, maybe not all of them.
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I will put it this way! If you own a Glock you tend to like them. They work and that is the rest of the story.
I think that it's all anybody really needs, whether it's Glock or whatever. It is what it is. They're simple, they seem to work unless you've got something broken or defective. I have one, I like it for what it is. Lots of pistols from other manufacturers work pretty well too, if you know how to use them, give them what they need, etc.

I don't have extensive pistol experience, but of what I've got to play with, while the build and fit is solid, the Glock doesn't seem very 'nice' to me. Not why I bought one.

My S&W 686 has a WAY nicer trigger pull, like playing with clockwork jewelry, compared to the glock. I LOVE that revolver, in an almost dirty way.

Not like my mother in law though. When she gets her hands on one, she will just sit there working the trigger of a S&W with empties or catching the hammer, feeling the cycle and listening to it, like it's telling her a story or something. Maybe it is.

But I shoot the Glock more, probably because it's light, the ammo is cheaper in 9mm than 38 special, it fits in my pocket easily, and if I drop it in the dirt, I really, really don't care. Yeah, the trigger pull is kind of lame, but it's like my favorite can opener. Black, plastic, and just goes bang more or less the way it's pointed, so far as I can tell.

I'm no competitive shooter, but I like shooting with it. I don't notice how cheap and crappy the trigger feels, because my brain is at the target, and to a degree, the sights (yeah, I know I'm doing it wrong). I like the brick minimalism. I like the low bore axis. I like that I can get a heap of rounds in a small space. I like that so long as it's loaded and racked, there's not a lot I can really screw up aside from point it in the wrong direction.

There are lots of pistols I'm sure I'd like something about, probably a few that if I spent time with, I might even like better. My father in law's Colt 1911 has a nice feel to it, holding it, handling it. It's definitely cool. I like the fact that it's so damn traditional with a ton of history, that the design has endured because it's good. It's a far nicer gun than my Glock, though nowhere near as nice as my revolver.

If I enjoyed pistols the way I enjoyed rifles, I would probably lust and then collect more of them, might even explore other options to find something that had something about it I liked even more, but honestly, I'm just not motivated.

Maybe someday, maybe not. I don't know. I just like shooting, and it works fine for me. If other people like something else, that's cool. If they hate what I like, that's cool too.

If I had something else first, and got familiar with it, maybe I'd look down on Glocks. But, I'd like to think I wouldn't get snobby about a can opener.

Rambling aside...

That they'd whine about not getting selected by the military, that's just kind of weak. Doesn't make me like their products any less. Will probably buy another just to have another size option down the road, but... kind of lame reflection on the management.

In the meantime, if somebody's intent on converting me by letting me play with their favorite toys, I'm got a very open mind.

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Anyone remember how hard Smith and Wesson whined when Beretta was awarded the M9 contract? The two Senators (John Kerry was one) from Massachussets forced the Army to rerun the tests, and Beretta still won. Nothing has changed except the players. Well, some of them, anyway.

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I have three SIG 1911s and had two SIG P220s, and a SIG M11A1... and I still cary a Glock 19 for my everyday CCW. 1911s are great pistols when 7 rounds will do ya and you don't have to conceal. The SIG M11A1 was great until you fed it cheap ammo. The Glock? It just won't stop shooting. I never was a fan of the polymer/interchangeable SIGs. They felt cheap but I suppose time will tell.
^^^this^^^
Sig has always been known for quality craftsman ship, well until now. I wish they would have stayed out of the plastic pistol game but I guess it's all about $$$.

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http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2...ighthawk-1911/
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That about covers it. The only thing that comes out of this is verification of the Acq process.


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It's not a civil court case; it's a simple action that any company involved in a particular government procurement can submit.

The Army's contracting agency will now have to review their whole acquisition process for this contract (request for information, solicitation, evaluation (testing, pricing, etc.), and all of its justification documentation for award to Sig).

Essentially it's an audit to ensure that everything was done by the book and that no mistakes were made. If it's determined that no mistakes were made, then they issue a response to the protest and then proceed with contract with Sig. If it's determined that mistakes were made (I'm a little foggy on this one as it's been a while), then the award of the contract may go to another company or, if serious mistakes were made, the whole acquisition process has to be redone.

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Back in the early 80's they adopted the Beretta. The other gun companies weren't happy about it.

Then the Berettas started breaking. Not just the ones the Army had, but the Border Patrol, too. Seriously breaking, like the back of the slide to your face breaking.

So, they did another series of tests and the "new" Beretta (designed to hold onto the back of the slide when it broke off/loose) was picked. The other gun companies weren't happy again. Seems like (been a long time) that SIG was one of the most unhappy about the Beretta being picked two times over their offerings.

Now, after a short run (compared to the 1911s and even the M16 series of rifles/carbines) the Beretta's must be replaced with something new/better.

I've got nothing against a SIG. Shot one a couple times at the range. Almost bought one when I got tired of not being able to have a reliable M&P or an accurate Glock, but thankfully I picked up a CZ P07 that day and for the last four years if it comes home from a gun show, gun store, etc. with me it's said "CZ" on the side. The family shoots them and then they buy CZs (except for my wife, then it's still me buying them).

If it's reliable. If it shoots groups you're happy with. If it fits you hand well. If you have confidence in it. Buy it. Practice with it. Carry it. Be ready to use it when/if you have to. Use it to survive a bad situation.

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I think that it's all anybody really needs, whether it's Glock or whatever. It is what it is. They're simple, they seem to work unless you've got something broken or defective. I have one, I like it for what it is. Lots of pistols from other manufacturers work pretty well too, if you know how to use them, give them what they need, etc.

I don't have extensive pistol experience, but of what I've got to play with, while the build and fit is solid, the Glock doesn't seem very 'nice' to me. Not why I bought one.

My S&W 686 has a WAY nicer trigger pull, like playing with clockwork jewelry, compared to the glock. I LOVE that revolver, in an almost dirty way.

Not like my mother in law though. When she gets her hands on one, she will just sit there working the trigger of a S&W with empties or catching the hammer, feeling the cycle and listening to it, like it's telling her a story or something. Maybe it is.

But I shoot the Glock more, probably because it's light, the ammo is cheaper in 9mm than 38 special, it fits in my pocket easily, and if I drop it in the dirt, I really, really don't care. Yeah, the trigger pull is kind of lame, but it's like my favorite can opener. Black, plastic, and just goes bang more or less the way it's pointed, so far as I can tell.

I'm no competitive shooter, but I like shooting with it. I don't notice how cheap and crappy the trigger feels, because my brain is at the target, and to a degree, the sights (yeah, I know I'm doing it wrong). I like the brick minimalism. I like the low bore axis. I like that I can get a heap of rounds in a small space. I like that so long as it's loaded and racked, there's not a lot I can really screw up aside from point it in the wrong direction.

There are lots of pistols I'm sure I'd like something about, probably a few that if I spent time with, I might even like better. My father in law's Colt 1911 has a nice feel to it, holding it, handling it. It's definitely cool. I like the fact that it's so damn traditional with a ton of history, that the design has endured because it's good. It's a far nicer gun than my Glock, though nowhere near as nice as my revolver.

If I enjoyed pistols the way I enjoyed rifles, I would probably lust and then collect more of them, might even explore other options to find something that had something about it I liked even more, but honestly, I'm just not motivated.

Maybe someday, maybe not. I don't know. I just like shooting, and it works fine for me. If other people like something else, that's cool. If they hate what I like, that's cool too.

If I had something else first, and got familiar with it, maybe I'd look down on Glocks. But, I'd like to think I wouldn't get snobby about a can opener.

Rambling aside...

That they'd whine about not getting selected by the military, that's just kind of weak. Doesn't make me like their products any less. Will probably buy another just to have another size option down the road, but... kind of lame reflection on the management.

In the meantime, if somebody's intent on converting me by letting me play with their favorite toys, I'm got a very open mind.
Well DUH!!! LOL......come on....we're talking Glock!.....broken or defective?......when I worked in a gun shop and the 17 first came out a ton of people who bought it brought it back.....never even got a shot off. They broke it taking the slide on/off improperly. That won't happen with a 1911 or other REAL framed pistols....

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Old February 28th, 2017, 04:37 AM   #27
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I'll take steel over plastic any day. We had whinners in the Army about the 1911 "not hitting the broad side of a barn". They just couldn't shoot. I 'legged' with a 50 yr old 1911. Should have lost the "Singer" I saw.

From the pics, it appears that the SIG is an internal slide design? Has a thumb safety too.

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So how did the 1911 explode when the cartridge didn't fire?
What else were the kids screwing with before the video?
On the bright side they won't need glue to repair it, just reassemble it properly.

The next video was simply a reload with a double charge and it broke the barrel hood.

The third video is a 10mm that probably was a double charge. Browning designed the 1911 for a .45 ACP round. I imagine that if a 1911 was chambered for a .44 Magnum you might run into some problems also.

Let's see video of 1911's blown up by a .45 ACP round.

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I'll take steel over plastic any day. We had whinners in the Army about the 1911 "not hitting the broad side of a barn". They just couldn't shoot. I 'legged' with a 50 yr old 1911. Should have lost the "Singer" I saw.

From the pics, it appears that the SIG is an internal slide design? Has a thumb safety too.
Same in the Navy.....we would have shooters who couldn't even hit a B27 target at 15 yards to qual for watch standing. They would always say the pistol was old and defective......us instructors loved to take the pistol from them and throw 5 directly into the center and tell them they should have listened better in class. As a junior instructor, I never minded having to stay with the remedial shooters.....made sure they had the same pistol, and made sure they ate their words when they finally, and usually just barely, qualified.

Had to love the "if I had my this or that with me instead of this old junk I wouldn't be here"...always bragging what they could do but really couldn't hit that broadside of the barn at 15yds, and it wasn't the 1911's fault.......fundamentals is fundamentals nimrod.....

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I will put it this way! If you own a Glock you tend to like them. They work and that is the rest of the story.
I would say if you still own a Glock you tend to like them.

Which is true of anything.

Had one got rid of it. I found the trigger pull to short and too light for safety, in my opinion, for something intended to be carried with a round in the chamber.

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