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Old February 15th, 2017, 10:38 PM   #1
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Want to build 1911-Need Help!!

Over the years have owned few 1911's but not now and want to build one from frame onward. I can easily field strip one and replace various parts, but certainly not a "builder." Lot to ask I know, but a list of quality parts, frame, barrel, slide, etc., etc., felt to be of quality would be most helpful. In my area there are a couple good builders who do such work for competition shooters and for LE officers as well, so the builder issue is solvable from my location.
Browsing through Brownell's catalog there are endless items listed but would like to know from actual experienced users what components they feel to be the ones to use in such a build. Should mention that an ultimate target pistol is not my goal, but one that is absolutely dependable with good accuracy using hardball ammunition and of standard barrel length, not a commander version even though they seem more ideal for carry purposes, but prefer the five inch version. Any and all feedback appreciated.

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Over the years have owned few 1911's but not now and want to build one from frame onward. I can easily field strip one and replace various parts, but certainly not a "builder." Lot to ask I know, but a list of quality parts, frame, barrel, slide, etc., etc., felt to be of quality would be most helpful. In my area there are a couple good builders who do such work for competition shooters and for LE officers as well, so the builder issue is solvable from my location.
Browsing through Brownell's catalog there are endless items listed but would like to know from actual experienced users what components they feel to be the ones to use in such a build. Should mention that an ultimate target pistol is not my goal, but one that is absolutely dependable with good accuracy using hardball ammunition and of standard barrel length, not a commander version even though they seem more ideal for carry purposes, but prefer the five inch version. Any and all feedback appreciated.
Hummmmm....... Quick question? When you say build do you really mean scratch build as from a pile of parts, or find a nice starter 1911 and rebuild it too you liking?

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Old February 16th, 2017, 02:50 AM   #3
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Building from scratch with parts that require fitting is not easy and it is not cheap. Some people are overwhelmed with it. There are several vendors that supply parts like these. Look at Caspian. https://www.caspianarms.com/
They sell high quality parts at competitive prices. Expect to spend upwards of $1500 or more depending on how many mistakes you make.

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Old February 16th, 2017, 02:54 AM   #4
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Memphis is absolutely correct. It ain't cost effective at all. It's really not even that much fun.. I will not build another one ever. Save your money and buy a Baer.

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+1 for the Caspian option.

You can also build an 80% kit

https://www.stealtharms.net/1911-series.html

There's tons of how to vids on 1911 building....


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Old February 16th, 2017, 04:10 AM   #6
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Buy a factory-built pistol and upgrade from there as needed/desired. You'll have way more money in a parts gun than what a factory gun will run you, with maybe half the resale value when you're finished. Even if resale isn't even in the back of your mind, do yourself a favor and start with a factory gun.

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Old February 16th, 2017, 04:22 AM   #7
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build a 1911

I agree with everyone else.

One thing is that when you mix and match parts from all over the place you have no control over the tolerances. Not all parts are machined the same and your finished product wont be predictable.

Best bet is to buy a reputable quality 1911. You'll get a warranty and you'll get a pistol that has resale value. The word "custom" usually means only valuable to you.

I would never buy a mixmaster pistol.

What I did was find a really clean 70's era Colt 1911 and sent it to a top notch gunsmith who went over it and tuned it up.

One note, there are good, reliable and decently accurate 1911's out there that are not expensive. Even a couple of Rock Island Armory GI models that I shot just for fun were very good for the $350. I paid for them.

Good luck with your search

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Old February 16th, 2017, 04:45 AM   #8
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If you insist on building one your way, there are ways to minimize unnecessary expenses by not having to buy the expensive tools, minimize mess ups. Fusion firearms and sti sell slide, frame, and barrel prefit kits for reasonable prices. Caspian can cut the slide for whatever sights you want and do slide to frame fit for you. Kart ez fit barrels will yield excellent results. S&A grip safety is the easiest to fit, Ed Brown one is a pain and easy to goof. Extreme engineering trigger kits are good as well. Buy a couple books and read up on it first! Kunhausen books are good if you can decipher very dry, technical material, Wilson's made a book that is pretty good too. I'll take pics of the ones I have when I get home.

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Agreeing with everyone else here, it's not cost effective when you can buy a new Auto Ordnance 1911A1 - USGI for about $450, these are now made by Kahr Arms and pretty decent.

If you have to go the build route Sarco Inc. offers build kits starting at $230, they have a few build kit selections from there with upgraded parts depending what you want, some fitting may be required : http://www.e-sarcoinc.com/

Still, after your $250 into a kit, then $200+ into a frame, you could have bought a new 1911...

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Old February 16th, 2017, 05:26 AM   #10
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I have no dog in this fight... This guy has been around for quite a while...

If your really serious about being a "builder:..

http://www.rodgerspistolsmithing.com/1911class.html

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I've had a blast buying used SAI Mil Spec and GI guns. Find one with something wrong for it and you'll pay around $400-500. Replace the guts and add a bt safety, refinishing it and shoot the crap out of it. You'll only be out a few hundred more and scratch your hobby itch.

For the record, I'm four fo four on eventually sending the gun into a custom shop for a full rebuild. I'm proud to say that each sports something that I did, like a good trigger job or carry bevel. You'll know when you've done it right and wrong.

Ultimately, I own guns that are worth probably 70% of what I have into them IF I can find the right buyer. However, this is a hobby. Hobbies cost money. YMMV.

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Over the years have owned few 1911's but not now and want to build one from frame onward. I can easily field strip one and replace various parts, but certainly not a "builder." Lot to ask I know, but a list of quality parts, frame, barrel, slide, etc., etc., felt to be of quality would be most helpful. In my area there are a couple good builders who do such work for competition shooters and for LE officers as well, so the builder issue is solvable from my location.
Browsing through Brownell's catalog there are endless items listed but would like to know from actual experienced users what components they feel to be the ones to use in such a build. Should mention that an ultimate target pistol is not my goal, but one that is absolutely dependable with good accuracy using hardball ammunition and of standard barrel length, not a commander version even though they seem more ideal for carry purposes, but prefer the five inch version. Any and all feedback appreciated.
I agree with so many others above, buy a complete 1911 and then modify it to suit you. To build from the frame up you'll need shop tools, equipment and most important, experience to deal with incompatible parts.

This was my project last year: Modern "Old School" Government Model .45

This year I will purchase an Auto Ordinance 1911 and re-work it internally. I want the exterior to remain 100% 1911A1.

To even do this much you'll need a good set of gunsmith screwdrivers, files, stones, electronic calipers and a sight pusher. A good vise is a necessity. A bunch of 320, 600, 800, 1200 grit paper. If you don't have an extensive command of off color language start learning now.

With that being said get ready to have a ball with a 1911

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Barrel fitting is hands down the toughest part, whether you get a EZ fit or try to hard fit one it can be a challenging task. It's the only thing on a 1911 I haven't done. Consider also some special tools along the way...I don't know how deep your workbench is but different tools and fixtures add up real quick, especially for something you'll use, likely, one-time.
I would deter you from doing this, right off the bat. Buy a good quality economical gun and work on that is my advice. Like a Rock Island perhaps, or Springfield GI.

My carry gun is a GI Springfield (new production) that the only thing left of it is the frame and slide...i've built up everything else and there's hundreds of man hours in it, ruined and replaced parts...it has no value but is worth a fortune, too me. Would love to give it to my Son someday, it's really special to me.

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I agree with so many others above, buy a complete 1911 and then modify it to suit you. To build from the frame up you'll need shop tools, equipment and most important, experience to deal with incompatible parts.

This was my project last year: Modern "Old School" Government Model .45

This year I will purchase an Auto Ordinance 1911 and re-work it internally. I want the exterior to remain 100% 1911A1.

To even do this much you'll need a good set of gunsmith screwdrivers, files, stones, electronic calipers and a sight pusher. A good vise is a necessity. A bunch of 320, 600, 800, 1200 grit paper. If you don't have an extensive command of off color language start learning now.

With that being said get ready to have a ball with a 1911
Don't forget the waves of panic and the instant sweat that happens when you THINK you screwed something up, or the moment you REALIZED you actually screwed something up, like a $250 barrel that you turned into a paper-weight. (not that that's ever happened to me...)

I've never built a 1911, but the above sensations are real and they are what I have experienced while building my first rifles. After the initial shock and lessons learned, it gets easier.

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Old February 16th, 2017, 07:22 AM   #15
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http://www.cylinder-slide.com/index....ay&ref=classes

Heard quite alot of good comments, referrals on Bill Laughridge's classes. You build your pistol is the classes he puts on.

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