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Old February 6th, 2017, 06:55 PM   #16
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Anyone remember caseless ammunition?...
A concept that will someday be realized.

Brass cased ammo came into use during the American Civil War. A lot of "modern" military technology came into use at that time. Photography, instant communications (telegraph), air support (the source of the comment "When the balloon goes up" for hydrogen balloons used to spot troup movements - when they went UP it indicated a battle was about to begin), modern submarines (HL Hunley), high speed ground support (steam trains), long range snipers, AND brass cartridge ammunitions.

Caseless ammo in an A-10 Warthog would nearly double the ammo load-out. Not having to eject spend cases from a supersonic jet makes airplane design much simpler and safer.

This steel/nickel stuff? Having been a reloader for 50 years and counting I'll wait to see how it works out. Ammo corrosion is a question that needs long term study before we know if it is good or not.

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Old February 6th, 2017, 07:55 PM   #17
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Two piece cases are not new. The Army experimented with them in the 1870's and 1880's. The first was a soft copper case with a cup inside the case holding the priming compound. It was held in place by two or three stab crimps near the base of the case. It was called the Benet' inside primer. Ask Custer what he thought of the Benet' primer. That is what his troops were armed with at the Little Big Horn. In a rapid fire situation the cases would stick in the chamber and the extractor would slice off the rim or tear the base completely off of the cartridge. Removal of the case in the field was nearly impossible. The second two piece cartridge used an insert in the base of the casing that contained the primer and used a Gutta-Percha rubber type seal. It also failed to catch on.

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Old February 6th, 2017, 08:51 PM   #18
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There is a outfit in Coastal Mississippi that makes polymer cased ammo with a steel head for military use. They have a reduced capacity 308 for subsonic and I've seen them testing it. The stuff works but designed mostly for one use and as a cheaper and lighter round for the most part. I also know a guy who reloads the newer Blazer cases that have the boxer primers in them and that stuff is aluminum, don't care to stand near him although. Also know a guy that uses that same Blazer 9x19 to make his 9MM Makarov cases trims them down and since they are silver he can identify them from his Luger brass.

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Old February 7th, 2017, 06:24 AM   #19
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I'm already a 'Brass Hound' when I go shooting. Can you imagine having to worry about finding all of THOSE cases? I know they said they are magnetic ... but I think it's overkill.

Reinventing the wheel has been a common theme in the firearms community for the past 15 years or so. None of them catch on, and people end up wasting money on them who never really thought it through.

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Interesting article on new case material

This seems like a cool idea. I wonder if it will catch on, or if they will eventually do rifle cartridge cases too.
https://www.ssusa.org/articles/2017/2/13/goodbye-brass/

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Interesting idea. Are they going to offer loaded ammo?

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This seems like a cool idea. I wonder if it will catch on, or if they will eventually do rifle cartridge cases too.
https://www.ssusa.org/articles/2017/2/13/goodbye-brass/
Ten year old idea, at least...

http://www.dtic.mil/ndia/2007smallar...owski_Leng.pdf

For extraction though, this is the weak spot:


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Brass is better. Keep the brass. So simple and effective. Besides the special dies would need special money to buy.

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Old February 15th, 2017, 10:17 PM   #25
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Yup! Trounds I think they were called. I always wondered what happened to the primer when fired. That was a neat idea. I felt paranoid that they were trying to stop us from reloading. Silly huh!
I think the Daisy VL was before the H&K round...

http://rockislandauction.blogspot.co...-vl-rifle.html

Trounds were for the Dardick pistol and rifle, "Tround" stood for "Triangular round", it was a three sided plastic tube with a primer retainer in the bottom that looked like a 38 special case, it was loaded with a powder charge and a .357 caliber bullet. the gun had a Open Sided chamber that the Tround would feed out of the fixed mag in the the chamber on the bottom rotate to the top fire and eject out the side. It was one of the most unusale designed guns ever made but whats funny is they made a .50 caliber machine gun using the same "Open sided chamber" I think it would fire 1200 rounds a minute.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dardick_tround

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Old February 28th, 2017, 11:26 AM   #26
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Yup! Trounds I think they were called. I always wondered what happened to the primer when fired. That was a neat idea. I felt paranoid that they were trying to stop us from reloading. Silly huh!
I remember reading an article on it. There was a hunting rifle that was a bit of a proof of concept. IIRC, the ammo could be tossed in to the fire and not cook off. The 'firing pin' required a specific voltage to be applied. So if your battery died, you were SOL. The idea was that they were safer and lighter than regular ammo and you didn't leave a mess of brass empties around.

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