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This is a discussion on 1911's within the Handguns forums, part of the Gun Forum category; The Colt Defender is a bit short for my taste, but it would carry well. I like the dimensions of my Colt Combat Commander more ...


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Old January 26th, 2017, 07:54 PM   #106
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The Colt Defender is a bit short for my taste, but it would carry well. I like the dimensions of my Colt Combat Commander more I guess.

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Old January 26th, 2017, 08:51 PM   #107
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Sure why not, I'll give my .02 worth.... If a smiff can't do a trigger job on a 80 series pistol while keeping the added parts in the pistol, he isn't worth a grain of salt or paying.....

I'm not a fan of 80 series parts, but there not that hard too work around either.
Agreed, I have a Series 80 Combat Commander that Les Baer worked over, trigger job included. It's and excellent trigger job and is better than some trigger jobs I've seen on custom series 70 guns.

Thing about buying a gun then having work done.
Buy the time you buy a good base gun and then have the work done to get it like you want it, you'll probably spend more money than if you just bought a good semi - custom.

I know on this Colt and this was back in 1995 it cost me like $535. Typical Colt quality at the time, wouldn't run 3 mags without jamming, darn $535 POS. Sent it to Baer had it done the way I wanted and spent another $575 on it. Its a great gun now and runs great, only malfunction it has had since getting back from Baer was the factory slide stop broke.

Now I just go ahead and buy once and buy at a minimum a Les Baer, my last purchase of 1911s was 2 Guncrafters Industries No Names, simply excellent 1911s. Alex Zimmerman and his crew do superb work.

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Agreed, I have a Series 80 Combat Commander that Les Baer worked over, trigger job included. It's and excellent trigger job and is better than some trigger jobs I've seen on custom series 70 guns.

Thing about buying a gun then having work done.
Buy the time you buy a good base gun and then have the work done to get it like you want it, you'll probably spend more money than if you just bought a good semi - custom.

I know on this Colt and this was back in 1995 it cost me like $535. Typical Colt quality at the time, wouldn't run 3 mags without jamming, darn $535 POS. Sent it to Baer had it done the way I wanted and spent another $575 on it. Its a great gun now and runs great, only malfunction it has had since getting back from Baer was the factory slide stop broke.

Now I just go ahead and buy once and buy at a minimum a Les Baer, my last purchase of 1911s was 2 Guncrafters Industries No Names, simply excellent 1911s. Alex Zimmerman and his crew do superb work.
I wouldn't call a broken slide stop a malfunction, typically that's a part that brakes from years of firing or being a retard and dropping the slide. I seriously doubt after it was tuned up you thought it was cool too just drop the slide on a empty chamber.... With that thinking I'm more inclined too think after years of use it just gave up, nothing lives or lasts forever.

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I wouldn't call a broken slide stop a malfunction, typically that's a part that brakes from years of firing or being a retard and dropping the slide. I seriously doubt after it was tuned up you thought it was cool too just drop the slide on a empty chamber.... With that thinking I'm more inclined too think after years of use it just gave up, nothing lives or lasts forever.

Whither or not I'm a retard depends on who you ask I guess.

I believe it was actually caused by a shok-buff that came apart and jammed up the pistol. No way of proving that was the cause but it occurred at the same time.

After another shok-buff came apart in and locked up another gun in a matter of weeks ( and these where new Buffs) I stopped using them all together.

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I think that fairy tail started long before the interwebs.....
You may be right but not by much. Colt brought out the Series 80 in 1983. But Al Gore was already busy inventing the internet although it was only on college campuses.

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I believe it was actually caused by a shok-buff that came apart and jammed up the pistol. No way of proving that was the cause but it occurred at the same time.
After another shok-buff came apart in and locked up another gun in a matter of weeks ( and these where new Buffs) I stopped using them all together.
Capona, not every after market part has any real value, a shock buff is a good example in my opinion. There will always be someone to supply something if he thinks he can sell it.

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Capona, not every after market part has any real value, a shock buff is a good example in my opinion. There will always be someone to supply something if he thinks he can sell it.
This is true, but back then shok-buffs were common and even recommended by some people "in the know".

Like Full Length Guide Rods, especially 2 piece FLGRs.

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Capona, not every after market part has any real value, a shock buff is a good example in my opinion. There will always be someone to supply something if he thinks he can sell it.
What would be a few upgrades to consider that are of true value?

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I wanted a Colt.

I went with a LW Commander XSE for my first, as it would be a carry piece as well. It has served me well and worth the $1000 price tag. I was hesitant at first due to price.

I have heard only praise of the RIA for cost and customer service. I want a Springfield and the Rugers look very nice as well. Lucky for us, there are options.
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What would be a few upgrades to consider that are of true value?
Good trigger, nice sights, and in your case a lefty safety. The rest is really decoration or personal taste.

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Ria, and springfield both have great Cs. I've got to order a barrel, Springs, and mags to finish up my home build 9mm. That's a mistake I'll never make again!

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If you getting the pistol like the one you showed me, not too much is needed but a few tweeks can't hurt. With everything being personal preference I will give you a few "Free" things too do and one very low cost one too do.

SS is nice and easy too refinish at home.

#1. I would give the slide a slight carry bevel on the bottom edges of the slide. Nothing radical, just a slight edge breaker and call it good. This doesn't help accuracy but it kills sharp edges and makes your pistol more pleasurable too shoot or carry.

#2. Polish/stone the disco lug on slide, for slicker dragless feeding and less disco drag on slide. Again nothing in the accuracy dept. but a smooth running pistol is more accurate than chunky clunky one is.

#3. Clean out the trigger ways (inside the frame) and polish the bow for reduced trigger drag. You would be surprised how slick the stock trigger can feel without any grit or drag. Again a smooth clean runner is better than one that feels inconsistent.

#4. Polish feed ramp and the barrel throat. This will help reliability with smooth feeding.

#1,2,3,4 can be done at home for little or no money a smooth running pistol is easier too point and make run. The pistol isn't any more accurate than it was before but the feedback it relays back too the shooter is much more improved, thus making the combo as a team more accurate. If your a handy mechanically inclined guy the above should take you about a hours worth of time, and that includes stripping the frame and cleaning it along as you go.

Spending money, or what would I replace first if needed. I'm no fan of any guide rods 1 or 2 piece and as a matter of course, I would swap it out for the std. GI type guide rod and spring plug, the spring is the same. There not very costly and take about two mins. too swap out. Sell the F/L guide rod set up for $20.00 too offset the new parts cost.

#5. The barrel bushing(cheap if you do it yourself). I feel and most accuracy nuts will agree is that if you can remove the bushing by hand its ok in a fun gun blaster but not the best for best accuracy. The bushing needs too fit tight too the slide, and then tight too the barrel. A tight fitting bushing fitted even too a stock barrel will surprise many in the accuracy dept. I will define tight as needing a bushing wrench too turn and remove.

All the above is as cheap/low buck of a 1911 tune up as your going too find anywhere that will show a substantial return for your time and effort.

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Capona,

Please be safe, don't start carrying any 1911 until you have a whole mess of rounds down range and hundreds or thousands of holster presentations. Those who were military trained got that training first and then transitioned to semi. 1911 carried cocked & locked, is different battery of arms and needs to become muscle memory for carry, 2nd nature stuff IMHO.

My Para-Ord Expert 45 has a very crisp lite trigger right out of the box. Since I train on Glocks and the like, I carry a Shield .40. I don't want to get into a stress situation and forget to switch off the safety, do it too early, or jerk the trigger, or something.

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Will do. I never really carry condition 1.

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Please be safe, don't start carrying any 1911 until you have a whole mess of rounds down range and hundreds or thousands of holster presentations. Those who were military trained got that training first and then transitioned to semi. 1911 carried cocked & locked, is different battery of arms and needs to become muscle memory for carry, 2nd nature stuff IMHO.

My Para-Ord Expert 45 has a very crisp lite trigger right out of the box. Since I train on Glocks and the like, I carry a Shield .40. I don't want to get into a stress situation and forget to switch off the safety, do it too early, or jerk the trigger, or something.

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If you getting the pistol like the one you showed me, not too much is needed but a few tweeks can't hurt. With everything being personal preference I will give you a few "Free" things too do and one very low cost one too do.

SS is nice and easy too refinish at home.

#1. I would give the slide a slight carry bevel on the bottom edges of the slide. Nothing radical, just a slight edge breaker and call it good. This doesn't help accuracy but it kills sharp edges and makes your pistol more pleasurable too shoot or carry.

#2. Polish/stone the disco lug on slide, for slicker dragless feeding and less disco drag on slide. Again nothing in the accuracy dept. but a smooth running pistol is more accurate than chunky clunky one is.

#3. Clean out the trigger ways (inside the frame) and polish the bow for reduced trigger drag. You would be surprised how slick the stock trigger can feel without any grit or drag. Again a smooth clean runner is better than one that feels inconsistent.

#4. Polish feed ramp and the barrel throat. This will help reliability with smooth feeding.

#1,2,3,4 can be done at home for little or no money a smooth running pistol is easier too point and make run. The pistol isn't any more accurate than it was before but the feedback it relays back too the shooter is much more improved, thus making the combo as a team more accurate. If your a handy mechanically inclined guy the above should take you about a hours worth of time, and that includes stripping the frame and cleaning it along as you go.

Spending money, or what would I replace first if needed. I'm no fan of any guide rods 1 or 2 piece and as a matter of course, I would swap it out for the std. GI type guide rod and spring plug, the spring is the same. There not very costly and take about two mins. too swap out. Sell the F/L guide rod set up for $20.00 too offset the new parts cost.

#5. The barrel bushing(cheap if you do it yourself). I feel and most accuracy nuts will agree is that if you can remove the bushing by hand its ok in a fun gun blaster but not the best for best accuracy. The bushing needs too fit tight too the slide, and then tight too the barrel. A tight fitting bushing fitted even too a stock barrel will surprise many in the accuracy dept. I will define tight as needing a bushing wrench too turn and remove.

All the above is as cheap/low buck of a 1911 tune up as your going too find anywhere that will show a substantial return for your time and effort.
Capona, now you're going to learn that if you ask three of us what we'd do, you'll get five opinions back

My interest was a carry gun not a target pistol. The first thing I want to ascertain is if the pistol is dependable. Buy your 1911, tear it down, really clean it then lube it. Buy good quality ammo, I only use Remington. I'd shoot a minimum of 250 FMJ rounds and 50 of the rounds you intend to carry. Be sure it cycles reliably. If not find the problem. Good magazines are a must, no name Ebay magazines are a mistake. I only use Colt (made by Checkmate, not Metalform) or Checkmate 7 round magazines.

Once you have fired 300 rounds you'll start to say I wish... If the 1911 you purchase has military sights I'd change the front to a white (or yellow) dot sight. I like all black Novak combat rear sights. I see no use or advantage to night sights.

You can change grips and bushings to make the grip bigger, thinner or fancier. The gun has to feel right in your hand. Remember, if your gun comes with thin or regular grips the bushings will be different. I would recommend Challis bushings so you can use a nut driver to change them. I like their O-rings also. If this gun is for carry don't put rubber grips on it. While trying to draw from a concealed position the rubber will tend to get caught with your shirt.

Once you know your 1911 is dependable and fits you to a T it's time to be concerned about the best accuracy. You may be 100% happy right off the bat. I'm moving my rear sight over .0145 of an inch to move my POI one inch to the left. It depends on how particular you are.

A good trigger and sights are needed for accuracy. A well fit barrel bushing will reduce your group size considerably. I don't want to have to use a bushing wrench but mine is tight. Wasted ammo and Phil gave you good info but mine is better

Seriously, if you finish the list above everything else will be a tweak just about. Just how particular do you want to be? Good luck!

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