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This is a discussion on 1911's within the Handguns forums, part of the Gun Forum category; Originally Posted by Thumprrr It's not as simple as you think. Manufacturers must provide 1 pistol from each model for drop testing. Wilson Combat and ...


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Old January 25th, 2017, 06:21 PM   #91
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It's not as simple as you think.
Manufacturers must provide 1 pistol from each model for drop testing.
Wilson Combat and Les Baer have specific California compliant models.
http://www.wilsoncombat.com/california-models/
http://http://www.lesbaer.com/website/calif.html
That is why I live in Ga. USA they don't give a rats butt what kind of 1911 you have!

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I think mil-spec is a term that is meaningless today because it's been used incorrectly and dishonestly so much. There are real mil-specs for what the military buys.

When I referred to specs earlier for a 1911 I meant the specs the government told Colt to build the 1911 to. If all manufacturers honored these specs a lot of parts would be almost interchangeable.

To my knowledge a lot of the aftermarket parts for a 1911 are slightly over sized so they can be fitted to an individual pistol. You can attain the utmost accuracy in this manner but you may not end up with a "combat" handgun. Old military government models rattle on purpose.
That was my point when I posted a pic of my ole girl rattle trap. I still have her, and I even feed her from time to time. She is a true Frankenstein 1911 if I have ever seen one!

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I took a look st the Sa loaded today, and the colt defender.
Both were nice and would fit the bill I'm looking for. I'd have to get the safetychanged to an ambi on the colt.
Then I picked up a smith and Wesson1911 mod 1816 and that had a better trigger than Sa or colt.

Nobody has mention the smiths for 1911's.
Any comments on S&W although I'm not crazy about the fish scale slide. That trigger was nice.

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I took a look st the Sa loaded today, and the colt defender.
Both were nice and would fit the bill I'm looking for. I'd have to get the safetychanged to an ambi on the colt.
Then I picked up a smith and Wesson 1816 and that had a better trigger than Sa or colt.

Nobody has mention the smiths for 1911's.
Any comments on S&W although I'm not crazy about the fish scale slide. That trigger was nice.
I've got a Smith Scandium. It's not Mil spec, as it has an external extractor. I do like it. If I had to choose between my Defender and Scandium, it would be the Defender. The Scandium trigger may be a bit better, but I find the Defender surprisingly easy to shoot, and easier to carry. The undercut trigger guard on the Defender helps tame recoil.

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I took a look st the Sa loaded today, and the colt defender.
Both were nice and would fit the bill I'm looking for. I'd have to get the safetychanged to an ambi on the colt.
Then I picked up a smith and Wesson1911 mod 1816 and that had a better trigger than Sa or colt.

Nobody has mention the smiths for 1911's.
Any comments on S&W although I'm not crazy about the fish scale slide. That trigger was nice.
That's because S&W sort of does what they want, they seem too fall in 3 categories Great not so Good and Horrible... What do you think your chances are.........

Fitting a ambi safety too a SA mil-spec is child's play too a good smiff.

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Old January 26th, 2017, 05:00 PM   #96
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That's because S&W sort of does what they want, they seem too fall in 3 categories Great not so Good and Horrible... What do you think you chances are.........

Fitting a ambi safety too a SA mil-spec is child's play too a good smiff.
Ok, I'm staying with SA, or Colt.

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Capona, any 1911 you buy for less than $2,000 can probably have the trigger improved. A True Radius sear mated correctly to the hammer does wonders. Then you can do some judicious tuning on the sear spring if needed. I wouldn't buy a 1911 solely because of the factory trigger. That's just part of the equation.

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I think mil-spec is a term that is meaningless today because it's been used incorrectly and dishonestly so much. There are real mil-specs for what the military buys.

When I referred to specs earlier for a 1911 I meant the specs the government told Colt to build the 1911 to. If all manufacturers honored these specs a lot of parts would be almost interchangeable.

To my knowledge a lot of the aftermarket parts for a 1911 are slightly over sized so they can be fitted to an individual pistol. You can attain the utmost accuracy in this manner but you may not end up with a "combat" handgun. Old military government models rattle on purpose.

Actually if you look back Colts early production was almost all hand fitted same for the US Gov't made Springfield 1911 so there was no rattle. It wasn't until WWII that the tolerances were relaxed and many 1911 makers and parts suppliers came on-line. Being a defensive weapon there reason was parts interchangeability not reliability.

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A True Radius sear mated correctly to the hammer does wonders. Then you can do some judicious tuning on the sear spring if needed. I wouldn't buy a 1911 solely because of the factory trigger. That's just part of the equation.

A T/R hammer and sear are wonderfull in BE pistols, not so much for a fun gun or carry piece. I agree with the rest.

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Actually if you look back Colts early production was almost all hand fitted same for the US Gov't made Springfield 1911 so there was no rattle. It wasn't until WWII that the tolerances were relaxed and many 1911 makers and parts suppliers came on-line. Being a defensive weapon there reason was parts interchangeability not reliability.
I won't disagree. My reference point was WWII production. My first 1911 was a Remington Rand. I really liked it but close tolerances it didn't have.

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A T/R hammer and sear are wonderful in BE pistols, not so much for a fun gun or carry piece. I agree with the rest.
I have to disagree. I use the TR sear in a carry 1911. It's simply the best trigger I've had in a 1911.

Capona, the above is a great example of personal preference. That's why you can get long, medium and short triggers. Flat or arched mainspring housings with checkering, grooves or smooth finish. You can make a 1911 exactly what you like!

Phil, should we start down the Series 70-Series 80 rabbit hole?

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Phil, should we start down the Series 70-Series 80 rabbit hole?
Sure why not, I'll give my .02 worth.... If a smiff can't do a trigger job on a 80 series pistol while keeping the added parts in the pistol, he isn't worth a grain of salt or paying.....

I'm not a fan of 80 series parts, but there not that hard too work around either.

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SA or Colt! Yay!

Those are the two I have. I feel like I won something.

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I prefer the Series 80. Years ago I leaned over and the 1911 slid out of my shoulder holster (my fault) and hit the concrete right on the mainspring housing bottom. The muzzle was directly at my face. Obviously the 1911 stayed safe or I wouldn't have lived to this old age. But then I started thinking, if the sear should break on a series 70 it could fire. With the Series 80 it's just not going to fire unless every safety is cleared and the trigger is pulled.

I realize some folks say you can't get a good trigger on a Series 80. For a carry pistol 4 pounds and a clean break should make anyone happy. I doubt that anyone can "feel" the three (four if you count a little spring) extra pieces of metal a Series 80 has. But hey, someone said it on the internet once, it must be true!

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I realize some folks say you can't get a good trigger on a Series 80. For a carry pistol 4 pounds and a clean break should make anyone happy. I doubt that anyone can "feel" the three (four if you count a little spring) extra pieces of metal a Series 80 has. But hey, someone said it on the internet once, it must be true!

I think that fairy tail started long before the interwebs.....

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