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Old January 19th, 2017, 06:24 PM   #16
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Modular? Though the article doesn't name the model, it's likely the P320. Striker-fired.

I've fired its older brother, the hammer-fired P250, which shares the same grip module system with the P320. It's a very nice weapon -- accurate, reliable, lightweight, and good ergonomics. And iirc, it is built in New Hampshire and most of Sig's manufacturing was moved to the US a few years ago.

I suspect there will be complaining -- someone always complains -- but IMHO this was a good choice ... assuming I got the accepted model correct.
Google SIG MHS (modular handgun system), you'll find it.

It's the 320, alright.

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Old January 19th, 2017, 06:24 PM   #17
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Got it. Current 9 mm technology performs just as well in tissue as do 40 W&W and 45 ACP.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyBfrf7iitA
But the military does not use current 9mm technology, they use ball ammo. I'd rather get hit by 9mm ball than .45 ball, if I have to be hit.

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Old January 19th, 2017, 06:45 PM   #18
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But the military does not use current 9mm technology, they use ball ammo. I'd rather get hit by 9mm ball than .45 ball, if I have to be hit.
Good point. One issue with the physics of ballistics, tissue damage, and impact against a person is mass. Of course, mass is inherently calculated via energy. But doesn't more metal mean more damage? Especially if that metal has a larger surface area?

I suppose this is calculated in FBI tissue damage studies, but I would think a 45 ACP would have more "stopping power" than a 9 mm -stopping power being initial vs final energy upon tissue absorption.

I also think there are other factors at play when shooting an actual person with 9 mm vs 45 ACP.

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I'm not holding my breath. Congress wants the MHS program killed, The DoD's bought over a half million new M9's in the previous few years and the Army's broke, unless you're a TRADOC unit or deploying they're barely able to pay the utilities and keep the exchanges and commissaries open.

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Old January 19th, 2017, 07:32 PM   #20
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Great .... another excuse for them to raise the price of the P320 to equal that of the P229.

I kind of had my fingers crossed and half way hoped they would have picked the S&W M&P 2.0. I prefer the feel of it over my other M&Ps and several of the Sigs I've carried in the past. Granted ... it was just a matter of time before the military went to a striker fired platform, but wait and see the 'maintenance package' prices for the P320. They'll probably be as much as the pistol itself. As in ... throw away pricing!

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Old January 19th, 2017, 08:21 PM   #21
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Good news to hear that they finally decided on a pistol. The M9 lasted over 30 years, hopefully the p320 will prove it's worth.

Get your popcorn before the old timers get here to gripe about the .45 cal
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You won't believe what the dumb ass Army has done now. We had thousands of 1911's stored but noooo, the Army made one 9mm mistake and now they just made a second! Save money, bring back the USA made 1911's that have served us so well!

Next, can you bring back 8 track tape players in your first 100 days?
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Old January 19th, 2017, 08:39 PM   #22
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I was kinda hoping it would be a p226, oh well.

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Dear President Trump,
You won't believe what the dumb ass Army has done now. We had thousands of 1911's stored but noooo, the Army made one 9mm mistake and now they just made a second! Save money, bring back the USA made 1911's that have served us so well!

Next, can you bring back 8 track tape players in your first 100 days?
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LOL I think the 1911 crowd would rather have vinyl.

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Old January 19th, 2017, 09:48 PM   #23
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Got it. That is what I was thinking. Thanks.

I love 1911s. I have two -70 series Colt Commander and a Springfield Full Size. But I can definitely see why the Army, etc. has moved to a 9 mm. Current 9 mm technology performs just as well in tissue as do 40 W&W and 45 ACP. I didn't previously believe this, but FBI studies have suggested this as true. 9 mm offers higher magazine capacity, which is beneficial. Most importantly, most folks shoot better with 9 mm over other calibers.

The only 9 mm I own is a NIB HK P7M8. I have shot one M8 once, and I loved it.

I am in the market for a 9 mm at this time, and thus far, I really like the CZs I have fired. Maybe I should consider the P320?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyBfrf7iitA
That's nice. Tissue damage is cute and all, but how about terminal stopping power? Bigger hole, more blood...dead bad guy.

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Old January 19th, 2017, 10:15 PM   #24
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That's nice. Tissue damage is cute and all, but how about terminal stopping power? Bigger hole, more blood...dead bad guy.
Correct. See my second post. I have a hard time comprehending the physics of 9 mm vs 45 ACP in terms of tissue damage. 45 ACP means more mass, bigger hole, and more blood... to me anyway...

This is why I don't have a practical 9 mm at the time... I shoot my 45s...

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Old January 20th, 2017, 02:25 AM   #25
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During the Senate debates regarding Cabinet appointments it was brought out that over the past 10 or more years a study was finally completed on replacing the side arm for the Armed Forces. Report is some 750 pages in length. Newly elected female Senator, I believe from Iowa having served 3 tours in Iraq, openly stated that she found the average GI there felt that the M9 pistol was best used to throw it at the enemy due to numerous failures. Some would refer to such delays as "paralysis by analysis" and the new Secretary Of Defense vowed he would no longer tolerate such overkill on these decisions. If the M9 is such a problem child, give me a Colt Single Action revolver which is not likely to jam nor fail to fire. It would be difficult to put a dollar amount as to how much this report cost in both treasury and yes, even blood of soldiers. Let's hope and pray that such lack of urgency does not continue under the new Administration. Send me out in combat with a less than reliable sidearm and I survive would encourage me to go find the people responsible and have a serious conversation about the matter. I have a feeling that things are going to change at the Pentagon and probably going to start today after 12 noon.

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They'll never move off 9mm as the bulk of pansies, male and female, will be crying over the recoil and their wrists.

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Headline should read.

Army adapts another 9mm piece of junk.

Really for 520 million they couldn't do better than than that ugly SIG.
Or ugly Glock...

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Or ugly Glock...
Agreed.

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So if this does come though to fruition, what's the likelihood of surplus M9s making it to CMP, along with the 1911s?

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I was kinda hoping it would be a p226, oh well.



LOL I think the 1911 crowd would rather have vinyl.
There is something to be said for vinyl.

The whole buying experience was much better.
In my younger days I'd hit my favorite record shop on paydays, browse the new releases, buy a couple.

Could spend a couple of hours in there, now, download a song, oh joy.

New or the new way of doing things is not always better.

You may have new wizbang striker fired cheap(cost) and cheap plastic guns, doesn't make them better, just cheap.

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