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Old January 8th, 2017, 06:29 PM   #16
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Guys let it go OK! I am going over there with $150 in hand and taking it !

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Old January 8th, 2017, 06:31 PM   #17
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Guys let it go OK! I am going over there with $150 in hand and taking it !
If you do let me know I want to shoot it too dammit! I know how to get to FL.

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Old January 8th, 2017, 06:36 PM   #18
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It says Colt I just wasnt sure if the other manufacturers would use the same slide stamping.
The other manufacturers put their names on the slide.

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Old January 8th, 2017, 06:39 PM   #19
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Would you guys say it is in pretty good shape? They have no desire to sell it, but if I ever try and buy one (I know I will) I would like to know what condition I would be looking at. I disassembled the gun and I could not find rust no matter how hard I looked. My family friend had it in a couple socks, in that ammo can, and wrapped the ammo can up and stored it.

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Old January 8th, 2017, 06:43 PM   #21
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Very nice pistol all BS aside. Google it.

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Old January 8th, 2017, 07:08 PM   #22
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Hey guys, I am in need of some help with old handguns. These are a family friend's, who recieved them from their granddad that was a bomber pilot in WW2. The 1911 was his, but he never returned it when he was done. If I can I will try and add the pictures from my phone, if they do not come through I will do it when I get home.

One question they had is if the grandfather never turned the 1911 in is it potentially illegal that they keep it? Also, they have some of the original ammo, I will add pictures of it but do you think the ammo would be OK to shoot? Would you even shoot the gun or ammo?
Definitely a Colt even without the rampant Colt logo the New Heartfield Conn. address in the slide says it all. Nice 1911 for its age. The little auto I believe is an FN that's a Browning patent is it 25 acp? Not sure what the model is but I think it's from the 1930s .

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Old January 8th, 2017, 07:10 PM   #23
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The M1911A1 is good , no one will come. Military don't use any more. The Ammo pouch is Issue during WW2. Do you have the Org holster too? As for the Ammo, I have a lot of that ammo it's smokeless and not corrosive. The Marine corps Has a Technical Instruction (TI 8005 35-1) I think, this instruction tells manufacture and date of manufacture. or you can search M1911A1 and you will get colt page to look up year of manufacture. Happy shooting. Oh Magazines, keep the government mags but only put 5 rds in them to shoot they Jam. Buy better mags from Brown, Wilson, Springfield, or there are others. DON'T CHANGE OR REBUILD OR MODIFY, THE M1911A1, WORTH MORE MONEY AS IS. Repair is ok.

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Old January 8th, 2017, 07:19 PM   #24
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I just checked It was built in 1943 at Ithaca arms co, they made 71000 that year. Happy Shooting

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The grips on the auto confuse me a bit but could be the logo of the seller not FN but it looks like a baby Browning. Clearer Picts of the grip and stamping I could tell more. The revolver is a Hopkins Allen top break .I guess 38 Smith and wesson from the picture I am only guessing Cal since it was a popular Cal for them.

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Old January 8th, 2017, 09:00 PM   #26
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I just checked It was built in 1943 at Ithaca arms co, they made 71000 that year. Happy Shooting
If its an Ithaca, why does it have a COLT slide?

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Old January 8th, 2017, 10:02 PM   #27
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It is in Colt serial# range for 1943 along with Ithaca. If it has G H D under the slide hold open lever where the idiot mark on the frame is then it is definitely Colt made. If it has FJA there instead, it was made by Ithaca There were duplicate serial#s but inspectors marks among other characteristics determined the manufacturer. This pistol seems to have FJA there so it is an Ithaca frame and a Colt slide. Not too unusual to see mismatch. By the way (idiot mark) is nothing personal, it is self explanatory for a scratch caused by someone unskilled in handling such a valuable historic piece such as this one. I hope the owner will appreciate it as a reminder as to what the soldier who carried it did for our country as a liberator and not a conqueror. I just love those military 1911s, but how could you tell. HaHa.

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It is in Colt serial# range for 1943 along with Ithaca. If it has G H D under the slide hold open lever where the idiot mark on the frame is then it is definitely Colt made. If it has FJA there instead, it was made by Ithaca There were duplicate serial#s but inspectors marks among other characteristics determined the manufacturer. This pistol seems to have FJA there so it is an Ithaca frame and a Colt slide. Not too unusual to see mismatch. By the way (idiot mark) is nothing personal, it is self explanatory for a scratch caused by someone unskilled in handling such a valuable historic piece such as this one. I hope the owner will appreciate it as a reminder as to what the soldier who carried it did for our country as a liberator and not a conqueror. I just love those military 1911s, but how could you tell. HaHa.
Yes, hard to tell from the pics, it was common for frames & slides to get mixed up if a few were being cleaned or worked on at the same time, or if it went thru arsenal rebuild, parts would get broken down, gauged and the good parts assembled as mix-masters. Finding one that's 100% is tough, at the factory it was customary to serial # the slide to the frame behind the firing pin retainer, finding a matching one is the holy grail.

Far as value I recently saw one in a pawn shop for North of 2K that I took an interest in, it was clean and being presented as WW2 "Vet Owned", upon closer inspection and doing some research nothing about it was correct, Colt WW2 frame was about it, later commercial Colt slide & barrel, no arsenal rebuild stamps on the off chance they had used commercial parts, needless to say it was a mix-master someone had cobbled together, pawnbroker was not pleased when I told him it was worth about $6-800 to me at best and only because it looked good.

Love to find an all matching one, but, scarce as hen's teeth & $$$$...

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Old January 9th, 2017, 06:15 AM   #29
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Not uncommon for frames and slides to be mismatched. When turned in for inspection and reissue , they were paired up without regard to maker. That's why they had interchangeability standards during manufacture. Pistol is still worth about $1500.

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Yes, hard to tell from the pics, it was common for frames & slides to get mixed up if a few were being cleaned or worked on at the same time, or if it went thru arsenal rebuild, parts would get broken down, gauged and the good parts assembled as mix-masters. Finding one that's 100% is tough, at the factory it was customary to serial # the slide to the frame behind the firing pin retainer, finding a matching one is the holy grail.

Far as value I recently saw one in a pawn shop for North of 2K that I took an interest in, it was clean and being presented as WW2 "Vet Owned", upon closer inspection and doing some research nothing about it was correct, Colt WW2 frame was about it, later commercial Colt slide & barrel, no arsenal rebuild stamps on the off chance they had used commercial parts, needless to say it was a mix-master someone had cobbled together, pawnbroker was not pleased when I told him it was worth about $6-800 to me at best and only because it looked good.

Love to find an all matching one, but, scarce as hen's teeth & $$$$...
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