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Old November 12th, 2012, 04:13 PM   #1
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Limp wristing

Hey everyone. I have been having major problems with my xds. I have about 850 to 900 rounds through it, and just about every two or three shots seem to have feeding problems. I have spoke with springfield and no answers yet. I have even emailed them three times with no response. Finally got a nice lady one the phone and told me they aren't sure, maybe it's due to me limp wristing. I can shoot. I shoot competitions and I live on a hundred acres in arkansas. That's all I do every day is shoot. I think limp wristing is BS. I have never seen it happen in person. I mean these companies claim limp wristing, show me some data that tells me how much pressure I need to apply to a center fired pistol to not cause limp wristing. I also think it is a quick response to give customers when manufactures have issues with one or more of their products. That comment from springfield makes me feel uncomfortable about my gun actually being fixed. I even purchased eight more mags, and guess what same problem with all my mags. Honestly the only way this pistol fires is when oil is actually dripping out of the gun, down the mag well and out the slide. I may be wrong but this just seems like a lame excuses. Just like my glock gen 4. Problem after problem. They told me it was limp wristing, sent It back and now they magically fixed my limp wrist along with several thousand of other limp wristers with a new recoil spring. Springfield just has me on a rant and maybe someone can explain this, because I just don't believe it.

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Old November 12th, 2012, 04:27 PM   #2
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Limp wristing is a real thing, and is more common with subcompacts.

When I first took my wife shooting my 1911s (fullsize and microcompact) she limp wristed a lot. Just need to learn to correct it.

If you're that deadset that you're not limpwristing, have someone else shoot the pistol. If they have the same issue, then it's the gun or magazines.

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Old November 12th, 2012, 04:38 PM   #3
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Limp wristing is a real thing, and is more common with subcompacts.

When I first took my wife shooting my 1911s (fullsize and microcompact) she limp wristed a lot. Just need to learn to correct it.

If you're that deadset that you're not limpwristing, have someone else shoot the pistol. If they have the same issue, then it's the gun or magazines.
What exactly is limp wristing. What causes it. You just compared me to your wife. I am 5:10 220 pounds and could probably bench press your car. I think I can grip that .45 acp with enough force to control any limp wristing. Three different people are having the same problem with my gun. You sound just like the springfield representative. I just need more data to believe this. I don't diss agree that small women or kids first shooting may have some kind of control problem, but normally their problem is that they grip it to tight on anticipating the recoil. I have friends about the same size as me with many, many years of firearms expirence that have the same problems with all the small single stacked center fired pistols. This just seems like a huge excuse that many people are riding on with the manufactures.


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Old November 12th, 2012, 04:44 PM   #4
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You also may want to get on one of the XD-specific web sites and see what they have to offer. Certainly, bad habits can be practiced but if your grip, stance and sight picture are solid, a 9mm shouldn't be that much of an issue.

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Old November 12th, 2012, 04:59 PM   #5
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Dude don't go getting all offended. Shit happens, people develop bad habits, people aren't used to new firearms.
You can either be a child about it and throw a hissy fit, or be a man about it and go educate yourself.

Limp WRISTING has hardly anything to do with your grip on the pistol.

Recoil operated handguns (which is almost all of them) operate from the recoil of the fired round pushing the slide back. The slide racks to the rear, ejects the round, cocks the hammer, begins moving forward, strips a fresh round from the magazine, and chambers it.

When you fire without locking your wrist in place, your wrist absorbs some of the force of the recoil. This can cause the slide to not full cycle to the rear. Leading to not fully ejecting (stovepiping), partial cocking, or not having enough forward force to strip the next round from the magazine.

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You also may want to get on one of the XD-specific web sites and see what they have to offer. Certainly, bad habits can be practiced but if your grip, stance and sight picture are solid, a 9mm shouldn't be that much of an issue.

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Bruce, the XDS only comes in .45 ACP.

I totally agree that limp wristing is an overused excuse that was promoted by gun manufacturers. I have over 30 years of experience both in and out of the military and never had this issue until I purchased an XDS 45. I had the same exact problem; the only way to get it to work was to drench the gun in oil. I really take issue with the manufacturers trying to blame this on the consumer. Glock tried it with the Gen 4 series and had to back track and provided a real fix (new recoil spring) once they manned up to the situation.
How is it that I never limp wristed my Glock 17 gen 3, or my Glock 19 gen 3, or my glock 26. However, as soon as I got a Glock 17 Gen 4 I became a limp wrister.


I have many friends who have had similar problems with the Kimber Solo, Kahr pm9, and pm45. I find it hard to believe that these people all of a sudden forgot how to grip a fire arm. Ridiculous!!

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Dude don't go getting all offended. Shit happens, people develop bad habits, people aren't used to new firearms.
You can either be a child about it and throw a hissy fit, or be a man about it and go educate yourself.

Limp WRISTING has hardly anything to do with your grip on the pistol.

Recoil operated handguns (which is almost all of them) operate from the recoil of the fired round pushing the slide back. The slide racks to the rear, ejects the round, cocks the hammer, begins moving forward, strips a fresh round from the magazine, and chambers it.

When you fire without locking your wrist in place, your wrist absorbs some of the force of the recoil. This can cause the slide to not full cycle to the rear. Leading to not fully ejecting (stovepiping), partial cocking, or not having enough forward force to strip the next round from the magazine.
This. I have been shooting semi auto handguns (1911's, M&P's, Ruger Mk .22's, my brother's FNP-45, and all sorts of other models) for a long time, so I figured I had a pretty good idea how to handle them. Until I picked up my first P08 Luger. I had stove pipes and other miscellanious issues with the handgun until I learned how to properly fire THAT weapon. Sometimes it really is you, not the gun.

Don't close your mind to advice just cause you don't like what's being said. For the most part, we're a reasonable bunch of guys, and you came here asking for free advice. It's the internet - you get what you pay for.

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Dude don't go getting all offended. Shit happens, people develop bad habits, people aren't used to new firearms.
You can either be a child about it and throw a hissy fit, or be a man about it and go educate yourself.

Limp WRISTING has hardly anything to do with your grip on the pistol.

Recoil operated handguns (which is almost all of them) operate from the recoil of the fired round pushing the slide back. The slide racks to the rear, ejects the round, cocks the hammer, begins moving forward, strips a fresh round from the magazine, and chambers it.

When you fire without locking your wrist in place, your wrist absorbs some of the force of the recoil. This can cause the slide to not full cycle to the rear. Leading to not fully ejecting (stovepiping), partial cocking, or not having enough forward force to strip the next round from the magazine.
I can understand his frustration. I and many other people I know have had a similar issue. I don't understand how someone can lay down a 3 - 4 inch grouping at 25 feet get an FTF, or FTE, and then have someone claim limp wristing. In your explanation I would actually have to concentrate and try to not locking my wrist. I have personally seen many of these newer single stack pistols have feed problems. I have observed the way people are shooting and I just dont buy what you are trying to sell.

Sure, I think it is possible to limp wrist, but I don't believe it is the first thing to look at with a feed problem.

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A lot of this going on since don't ask , don't tell.

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Old November 12th, 2012, 05:35 PM   #10
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Lilglockboy, I assume you have shot Glocks and other semi-auto's without issue?

If so, it's probably not you, find another experienced shooter and have him test your XD.

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Wow okee dokee.

The XDS is a very new gun still. It will probably take a bit to iron out all the bugs. Normal and common to most manufacturing. When a mass number of different users get it, problems that couldn't be foreseen will emerge. Take a deep breath and give Springfield a chance to fix it.

You said many people have had a problem with your firearm so I would say it is probably either the ammo used, or a bad mag, or there is the chance that the people you let shoot it have also developed training scars. But more likely something isn't finished correctly in the gun.

You say you are a very experienced shooter, I will take your word for it. But limp wrist is not a derogatory term, it is just the word used to describe a common issue. Don't take offense. It is quite common with 45 ACP and especially with subcompact pistols. I did it with a micro-compact 1911 for about 3 months off and on, and I have had full size 1911s for years before that. It happens.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limp_wristing

You said it has to be dripping oil to even function, then there is probably an issue with the gun. The other XDs can be run pretty much dry with no issues, however since it is pretty new I would let Springfield go over it, and then just watch the message boards over the next little while and usually if there is a serious issue, it will start to show a pattern and will eventually be resolved.

If that thought doesn't entertain you, sell the firearm and chalk it up to a lesson learned. I don't like Sigs for similar reasons. I had 3 Sigs, all had issues, I just don't buy Sigs anymore. Not a big deal.

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Old November 12th, 2012, 05:41 PM   #12
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Lilglockboy, I assume you have shot Glocks and other semi-auto's without issue?

If so, it's probably not you, find another experienced shooter and have him test your XD.
I agree I am not trying to be harsh but when people claim limp wrist I just need concrete data to back it up. i was looking for someone to maybe be able to post some kind of spec sheet from a maufacture.All my friends have shot my pistol with same issues. I think without real data it can't be proven accept people saying that it does.

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Wow okee dokee.

The XDS is a very new gun still. It will probably take a bit to iron out all the bugs. Normal and common to most manufacturing. When a mass number of different users get it, problems that couldn't be foreseen will emerge. Take a deep breath and give Springfield a chance to fix it.

If you said many people have had a problem with your firearm then I would say it is probably either the ammo used, or a bad mag, or there is the chance that the people you let shoot it have also developed training scars.

You say you are a very experienced shooter, I will take your word for it. But limp wrist is not a derogatory term, it is just the word used to describe a common issue. Don't take offense. It is quite common with 45 ACP and especially with subcompact pistols. I did it with a micro-compact 1911 for about 3 months off and on, and I have had full size 1911s for years before that. It happens.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limp_wristing

If you said it has to be dripping oil to even function, then there is probably an issue with the gun. The other XDs can be run pretty much dry with no issues, however since it is pretty new I would let Springfield go over it, and then just watch the message boards over the next little while and usually if there is a serious issue, it will start to show a pattern and will eventually be resolved.

If that thought doesn't entertain you, sell the firearm and chalk it up to a lesson learned. I don't like Sigs for similar reasons. I had 3 Sigs, all had issues, I just don't buy Sigs anymore. Not a big deal.
Well if it's on Wikipedia then it has to be true.

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.All my friends have shot my pistol with same issues..
Sounds like you answered your own question, send it back to Springfield and see what it does when you get it back.

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Well if it's on Wikipedia then it has to be true.
Yeah I guess your right. I must be making it up. Guess I will have to give up my instructor certifications after only 15 years, I had a good run.

http://www.coloradopistol.com/

http://pistol-training.com/archives/96

http://pistol-training.com/archives/82

http://firearmsforumcoali.motionsfor...mi-auto-pistol

http://www.reviewsofthings.com/guns/...-wristing.html

http://www.defensivecarry.com/forum/...-wristing.html

http://www.guns.com/forum/general/ge...rect-8461.html

http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=420880

http://adjunct.diodon349.com/Attack_...al_mistake.htm

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