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Old August 20th, 2012, 07:15 AM   #1
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Ruger Surper Blackhawk TALO edition.

I found myself in a position to own a single action pistol and since my last input on the 1911 and its adoption by MARSOC was not well received, I decided to look long and hard at how revolvers and pistols have been perceived by the military, hunters, target shooters, home defense, and etc groups.

I have always liked the look of the Ruger large-framed revolvers used by hunters and etc.

TALO had licensed the production of the 3.75 inch, stainless steel, Ruger Super Blackhawk in .44 magnum. These pistols are all over the internet, especially, gunsinternational, gunsamerica, gunbroker, and etc. You can get a really good deal if you look around. These short-barreled, single action revolvers were originally called the Sheriff's model and usually were mounted in a across-the-chest mounted holster.

I was truly surprised (when I reminded myself of the power of the magnum rounds) at the differences between bullet weight, muzzle velocity, and foot/pounds of energy for some of these calibers. There are pistols and revolvers that come in 10mm Auto, .45ACP+P, 45 Colt (or Long Colt), 357 magnum, 44 Rem Mag, and everything else above that including the .460 Rowland and the monster calibers offered by S&W, Ruger, and etc.

When you look at how the .45 ACP is perceived by folks and then look at the large magnum calibers, it is shocking what the difference is as far as actual velocity and energy developed by the magnum rounds. Some of the magnum calibers produce two to three times the foot/pounds of energy of the hottest .45 ACP (+P) loads. This is no exaggeration.

My experience with the .44 Rem Mag came with both the Dan Wesson in .44 and the S&W 4 inch version back in the day. Firing the short-barreled revolver in .44 RM was a real eye-opener! Felt recoil was very stiff and I have never been recoil sensative. I would recommend using gloves!

It is interesting to read about the FBI and its abortive attempt at adopting the 10mmAuto round. They finally settled on the .40 S&W which some people describe as the 10mm Short&Weak!

I will be trying out the Underwood ammo for .44 RM in 240 grain bullets at 1400 fps and see what it is like out of my new Ruger Super Blackhawk along with the Garrett in 310 grains at about 1300 fps.

I hope I survive the experience.

Oh, by the way, there will be a loss of 100+ fps in velocity due to the shorter barrel of my TALO Blackhawk.

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Old August 30th, 2012, 04:13 PM   #2
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I like it, Heres my single action collection, from the top left counter clockwise, Ruger Blackhawk .45 Colt, Ruger Lipsey's Flattop Blackhawk 45 Colt and 45 ACP, Ruger Singlesix 22 WMR and 22lr, Ruger Talo .45 Colt Vaquero Birdshead, Uberti 38 Spc Birdshead.
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I like it, Heres my single action collection, from the top left counter clockwise, Ruger Blackhawk .45 Colt, Ruger Lipsey's Flattop Blackhawk 45 Colt and 45 ACP, Ruger Singlesix 22 WMR and 22lr, Ruger Talo .45 Colt Vaquero Birdshead, Uberti 38 Spc Birdshead.
Nice! I also have a couple of Colt SAAs in .45 Colt (or Long Colt) and a couple of Pietta clones of the 2nd Generation Colt SAAs in .357 Mag.

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What knife is that?

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When you look at how the .45 ACP is perceived by folks ...
Can you expand on what you mean by this?

if your referring to people saying its a powerful round, you have to understand a lot of the time those discussions are in the context of Combat pistols... so the rounds your discussing here don't fit into that discussion at all.

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I was truly surprised (when I reminded myself of the power of the magnum rounds) at the differences between bullet weight, muzzle velocity, and foot/pounds of energy for some of these calibers. There are pistols and revolvers that come in 10mm Auto, .45ACP+P, 45 Colt (or Long Colt), 357 magnum, 44 Rem Mag, and everything else above that including the .460 Rowland and the monster calibers offered by S&W, Ruger, and etc.


My experience with the .44 Rem Mag came with both the Dan Wesson in .44 and the S&W 4 inch version back in the day. Firing the short-barreled revolver in .44 RM was a real eye-opener! Felt recoil was very stiff and I have never been recoil sensative. I would recommend using gloves!

It is interesting to read about the FBI and its abortive attempt at adopting the 10mmAuto round. They finally settled on the .40 S&W which some people describe as the 10mm Short&Weak!

I will be trying out the Underwood ammo for .44 RM in 240 grain bullets at 1400 fps and see what it is like out of my new Ruger Super Blackhawk along with the Garrett in 310 grains at about 1300 fps.

I hope I survive the experience.

Oh, by the way, there will be a loss of 100+ fps in velocity due to the shorter barrel of my TALO Blackhawk.
Yeah, it's kinda a cute looking gun but, IMO anything under 4" in a .44 magnum is ridiculous.

Frankly, I am not "recoil sensitive" either but, I think that a .44 mag is about the most powerful cartridge that can still be made to be comfortable to shoot in a handgun. Anything bigger than that I think, is just punishment.

I have two .44 mags- a 629 4" and a SBH 4-5/8". I changed out the small grip frames that come on the 4-5/8" models to the "Dragoon" style larger grip frame. Also did that with the .357 BH I have. Makes a huge difference in handling the recoil and muzzle flip that the shorter barreled .44's give. Especially if you have larger hands like I do. Those X-RED small grip frames seem like they're made for tots.

My 629 has Herrett's "Jordan Trooper" grips on it and it is way more comfortable and effective to shoot with 240 grain full power loads than my SBH is-even with the larger grip frame.

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Nice grab! I purchased a Ruger Blackhawk myself not to long ago. Mine is a 5.5" barreled stainless steel .45 caliber Bisley. It has the same color grips on it, which match my Ruger Scout quite nicely. Definitely a shooter! Hope you enjoy yours bud.

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That's a sweet gun. I think it will be a little rough on recoil, but then again I had a 7 1/2" Super Blackhawk and I thought it was perfect. I would have one of those though, I like it, good score!
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That's a Randall #14 with a special grind on the blade.

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Can you expand on what you mean by this?

if your referring to people saying its a powerful round, you have to understand a lot of the time those discussions are in the context of Combat pistols... so the rounds your discussing here don't fit into that discussion at all.
People have mythologized the effectiveness of the .45 ACP. Unfortunately the military are unable to use the latest hollow point designs which are more effective. The whole idea of "knock-down" power is flawed. If you really want knock-down power - use a canon ball or even a slow moving bowling ball. Of course a .45 ACP round full metal jacket is more effective than a 9X19 mm full metal jacket, all things being equal. It's all about bullet design, weight, velocity, and bullet placement.

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Yeah, it's kinda a cute looking gun but, IMO anything under 4" in a .44 magnum is ridiculous.

Frankly, I am not "recoil sensitive" either but, I think that a .44 mag is about the most powerful cartridge that can still be made to be comfortable to shoot in a handgun. Anything bigger than that I think, is just punishment.

I have two .44 mags- a 629 4" and a SBH 4-5/8". I changed out the small grip frames that come on the 4-5/8" models to the "Dragoon" style larger grip frame. Also did that with the .357 BH I have. Makes a huge difference in handling the recoil and muzzle flip that the shorter barreled .44's give. Especially if you have larger hands like I do. Those X-RED small grip frames seem like they're made for tots.

My 629 has Herrett's "Jordan Trooper" grips on it and it is way more comfortable and effective to shoot with 240 grain full power loads than my SBH is-even with the larger grip frame.
I have shot the 629 4" - quite a handfull but still manageable. The Ruger Super Blackhawk is the same weight (I think - 45 ounces) as that of the S&W 629 pistol so I think recoil is still manageable especially since with the slightly shorter barrel you give up, I think, about 100 fps in velocity?
This revolver is meant to be an occasional shooter or emergency firearm and not a firearm you shoot hundreds of rounds through I would think.
Finally, I bought it because I liked the general configuration of the pistol and its size and weight. I have shot everything from BB guns to the Carl Gustav 84mm anti-tank rifle. I am not particularly recoil or blast shy.
S&W have also made short barrel .500 caliber pistols which are even more robust than the .44 Rem. Mag.


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My brother just got one of these . . .

This is a super cool pistol . . .

I think a lot of times when we gun nuts start talking about a new gun or a new purchase, the conversation and thoughts usually immediately gravitate towards ballistics. shtf scenarios etc.

I agree, there are weapons for tactical situations, ballistics reports to mill over, ease of concealment, survivability ratings . . . blah blah blah!

I think a lot of times, people make purchases because they "connect" with the gun. They like the "lines" or look of the gun, the way that it feels when they hold it . . .they envision how it will make them feel to have it at the range and the pleasure they'll take from it. A lot of it also just comes down to cool factor.

If a guy likes revolvers at all and hasn't tried single action shooting, he may be missing out. There is a lot of fun to be had with the wheel guns in single action. They handle differently, they make big booms, they are mostly overbuilt and some of them very intricately so.

If you like 44 mag, buy it, shoot it . . .if it hurts a little, toughen up or shoot 44 special loads in it or hand-load (a whole other fun and interesting ball of wax.)

I used to love my Vaquero .45 long colt six guns . . . I do miss 'em.

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The recoil and muzzle blast on that would be something.

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That's a Randall #14 with a special grind on the blade.


That's a 600-800$ knife!

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Love that gun! & the knife!!

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