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Old July 19th, 2012, 06:09 PM   #1
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Have you ever had to draw? (not LEO / cmbt situ.)

In a civilian environment not as LEO or combat situation, have you ever had to draw? What was the situation?

And secondly, if you draw, you fire. Right? (except in your home, when checking out 'noise') ???



I posted in the other thread that I did a cab while in college, and kept a .357 under the steering wheel.

Once, while I had some kids gettin' $ at the ATM, a car with Fla plates, tinted windows, and shiny rims, pulled up too fast for my comfort. Heart starting pounding, and I started for the hardware, but their doors never opened. I never touched it, only because they weren't blocking me in...

Kids got their $, and we moved out.


Another time in college, my bike got boosted from my apartment porch. Then we wired my roomie's bike with fishing line to the inside. A few weeks later, we came home pretty tight, and in less than an hour, the roomie came in and roused me "Someone's stealing the bike". Clock said 3:14 AM, and I grabbed the 30:30 in the corner on the way out of the room. It was loaded, cause it was hunting season too, but I was still drunk and didn't think of that.

I went outside and caught him, and told him "Hold up buddy", but didn't actual point it at him.

He saw it, stopped, and didn't move til 5-0 showed 5 units

I knew 2 of the guys - I had seen them downtown that night even; one said I needed to be careful.

He was right. You know how often the homeowner gets the rap, and the thief walks, when someone gets a hole in their belly and springs a leak...

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Old July 19th, 2012, 06:16 PM   #2
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I wouldn't fire just because i draw, but they do teach that....

just use your best judgement, and nature will take its course i suppose.


(worst advice ever , take it FWIW)

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Old July 19th, 2012, 06:41 PM   #3
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"if you draw, you fire. Right?" No, no, no, no, no............ Why shoot if the act of drawing the weapon stops the threat. Take a couple of good classes and read everything you can get your hands on about the subject. And I wouldn't shoot someone for stealing my bike unless they posed a threat of great bodily harm to me.

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Old July 19th, 2012, 06:56 PM   #4
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I've pulled a shotgun a couple of times to stop people from breaking in to my house and I actually pulled a .45 once in a place I shouldn't have been, at a time when I shouldn't have been there, and legally shouldn't have had a gun. But hey, I walked out and there were a bunch of them and two of us.

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Old July 19th, 2012, 07:01 PM   #5
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Keep in mind that unless there is an actual threat of violence, by someone capable of committing an act of violence, at the same moment that you fire on them, you're walking a VERY fine legal line and opening yourself to all sorts of criminal and civil prosecution.


Anyone who has a firearm for self defense should read as much as possible on self defense laws and have a firm understanding of what they open themselves up to in case they do need to use it to defend themselves or someone else.

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I wouldn't fire just because i draw, but they do teach that....

just use your best judgement, and nature will take its course i suppose.


(worst advice ever , take it FWIW)
I agree, The last thing I want to do is shoot someone, their problems will be over and mine will just be beginning! Best judgement is not always there when in a situation like that,so you gotta do the best you can, but you can bet your bottom dollar that I most assuredly will defend myself with deadly force if needed, meaning my life in danger!

I am disabled, can't run, can't fight, it is what it is...

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Keep in mind that unless there is an actual threat of violence, by someone capable of committing an act of violence, at the same moment that you fire on them, you're walking a VERY fine legal line and opening yourself to all sorts of criminal and civil prosecution.


Anyone who has a firearm for self defense should read as much as possible on self defense laws and have a firm understanding of what they open themselves up to in case they do need to use it to defend themselves or someone else.
Absolutely, just pulling a weapon doesn't give you the legal right to shoot. Of the three times I've drawn, I never fired. Both times with the shotgun I simply pumped a shell in to the chamber and that was enough to convince the guys to run. The .45, well it was in condition 1 but they never worried about that, they just knew that two of us were standing there with .45s and we were close enough to hit at least a few of 'em, it didn't hurt that we were both in uniform (he was Army, Special Forces and I was Marine Corps), and no we weren't in a combat area, we were in Arizona of all places, my home town.

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Old July 19th, 2012, 07:14 PM   #8
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I stopped at an old gas station in Texas while driving across country. When i pulled in there were two guys sitting in a car at the pump, but not pumping gas just moving around in the car enough to rock it. Pretty sure they were on some thing due to how erratic their movements were. Any way my buddy got out and started pumping gas and i walked out to a field to take a piss, as i turned to walk back one of the guys was walking right toward me. He had no reason to walk toward me i was out in the middle of a dark field, he could have gone any where else. I reached into my jacket had my 1911 half way out and he immediately made a 90 degree turn and walk in a different direction. Drawing was enough for me i'm glad it didn't go any further.

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Old July 19th, 2012, 07:38 PM   #9
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Some of you old timers might remember Kings Gun Works? The old man "Al" started building and making parts for 1911 before the big guys of today ever got out of school.
Anyways I worked for them selling guns some years ago and we were told by Al who he and his son had been held up, shot and left for dead years before said "never allow someone to load our mags or theirs cause they are going to hold you up!
Well one evening a guy comes in and buys some ammo? Now there is a handful of off duty LEO in the store and this guy proceeds to pull out a mag and starts to load it. I tell him with a raised voice no loading mags in the store and he keeps on going? I now yell at him NO LOADING OF AMMO IN THE STORE!! He keeps on going!
So I figure he is holding us up? And I'm freaking out! I reach into my pocket and pull my little auto out and stick in the guys face and proceed to yell I'M GOING TO SHOOT YOU!
He very calmly says to me "why are you getting so upset?" I asked that he leave at once! I look at my LEO friends and they all had their hand on their off duty. It only lasted a few seconds but it seemed much longer and scared the hell out of me.

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Just another thing to add for anyone who does end up in a situation where they have to defend themself.

"I used the amount of force necessary to stop an ongoing threat."

Memorize that phrase, and be sure to use it in court.

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In civilian life only once for real, appx 1984. I was the only person around who could do anything to break up what would have been a deadly assault in broad daylight by a half-dozen crack-heads on a white kid trying to empty the garbage out behind a restaurant where he worked. I happened to have a M1 Garand and a couple of full en blocs with me in my truck. I parked within 50 yards, locked & loaded, pulled 'er to the shoulder and yelled to back off the boy (bleeding like a stuck pig). Their eyeballs got big as saucers, as soon as one ran they all ran, screaming, "He's got a gun," so I didn't have to fire. Cops arrived right away but so did witnesses out of nowhere, and the victim's condition was obvious. Good kid, lost some teeth but he healed up. He was grateful. No way was I gonna let those cops have my rifle. I was lucky in being able to give an honest explanation for why I had drawn, loaded & brandished it. M1 went back into the truck and I managed to get home. I didn't tell the cops I'd come within a drop squeeze of taking out those crack-heads in rapid succession. Them and the gawkers acted like they'd never seen a Garand before.

Prowlers in/around the house and yard a few times. Turn the dogs loose, flashlight and shotgun stuff. Haven't had to shoot anybody yet but it stays loaded with 00's.

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Old July 19th, 2012, 07:54 PM   #12
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Never off duty, but I have put my hand on the grip ready to before.

From my personal experience carrying a sidearm on duty, I can say every time I have pulled it I usually get one of two responses.

1. They crap their pants and run.

2. They crap their pants and freeze.

I assume it would be no different not in a uniform.

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Old July 19th, 2012, 08:30 PM   #13
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Just another thing to add for anyone who does end up in a situation where they have to defend themself.

"I used the amount of force necessary to stop an ongoing threat."

Memorize that phrase, and be sure to use it in court.
Amen, and never play the big shot and run your mouth about how you weren't scared.

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Old July 19th, 2012, 09:15 PM   #14
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I had drawn only once. It turned out to be a policemen of all people in the wrong place at the wrong time, my house at 0 dark 30. Didn't ID himself and all around the outside of my place actually trying to wake me up. I got the drop on him, but disengaged immediately when I visually IDed him as an officer.

Let me tell your heart rate is pretty high when you draw that weapon. Pretty easy to make a mistake in the heat of the moment. Military training helped me big time. Police training now is icing on the cake. But I continue to train quite often. Training is crucial.

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Old July 19th, 2012, 11:29 PM   #15
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I guess I've actually "drawn" 3 times.

twice with a shotgun just like Rammac.. .just racking the slide to run people off my property.

Then once I actually aimed at two crack heads about to kill each other on my front lawn.

they forgot their quarrel and ran down the street.... then i think they broke in and stole my laptop computer and an SKS a few weeks later.

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