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Old January 22nd, 2013, 03:36 PM   #61
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"Brandishing", as defined, will only get you in trouble if not done in defense of oneself or another
It may not get you in trouble in the long run but could get you a night and lawyer fees till you prove your point but that aside bragging here on an open forum still remains NOT SMART. your all big boys so knock your self's out, no skin off my back.

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Old January 22nd, 2013, 04:49 PM   #62
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It may not get you in trouble in the long run but could get you a night and lawyer fees till you prove your point but that aside bragging here on an open forum still remains NOT SMART. your all big boys so knock your self's out, no skin off my back.
If someone wants to talk about how carrying a firearm saved their bacon then that's their business, just as it is your business to not stick your nose in to the conversation if you don't like to read about these situations.

It's not brandishing if you expose your weapon with the belief that you are going to have to draw in order to protect yourself or someone else. Nobody has an obligation to wait to be injured before they draw their weapon, as long as you had a reasonable expectation of a life threatening situation developing then you were justified in attempting to draw your weapon.

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Old January 22nd, 2013, 08:31 PM   #63
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haven't "yet" but looking at the amount of my friends who have ccw's have the spread don't look good. that being said i have had to place my hand on my sidearm more than once. first time was with my ex wife. came home from work one night washing bikes at the local harley shop. mind you this is the beginning of riding season and everyone and their brother decided let me get my bagger washed today. i bet you i washed 20 baggers that day and shoving them big monsters around made for a tired man. i get home walk thru the house to kitchen to grab a beer to relax while she finishes cooking dinner. she turns around with kitchen knife in hand "honey can you help me finish dinner" i look at her babe i'm tired i wanna sit down for a minute. she proceeds to get pissed and start pointing the thing at me and keeps coming closer i grab the butt of the pistol and told her if she takes one more step idc if she's my wife or not but i will blast her. needless to say we got divorced a few weeks later.

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Old January 22nd, 2013, 08:43 PM   #64
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Ive had to draw a couple of times..I worked armored car and this one guy went mental over how we parked and as I was leaving my truck with over 1 million dollars he got aggressive and came at me and I pointed my Glock 21 at his face and ordered him to back off..he didnt and only when he realized another guard was running at him and about to shoot him he threw his hands up and nearly pissed himself. I didnt fire because his hands were empty and he was still about 15 feet away and the street was behind him with cars driving past. One other time same job, we were transporting about 3.5 million into a bank during xmas in Oakland and this wana be p1mp actually tried to grab the door of the truck to keep it from closing and i hit him in the face with the barrel of my Galil I carried on me. Bart cops were 15 feet or so away and heard him yell in pain and grabbed him otherwise I probably would have fired. I dont do that work anymore..too much BS for what you get paid.

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Old January 23rd, 2013, 02:19 AM   #65
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I live in a sketchy area of town so I'm typically carrying my fnp45 or my s&w 686+. Luckily the visual deterrence seems effective enough. Only came close twice, once was when a stray pit bull went after my Dutch shepherd and I and when I was woke up to my property manager doing a health check my roommate forgot to tell me about. Both situations were handled by my Shepherd.

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Old January 23rd, 2013, 07:10 AM   #66
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Could have, but opted not to...
Some road rage freak kicked my car at a stop light, and was reaching in the sun roof to try to get at me.

He couldn't reach me.

I live in FL, "Stand your ground"... I could have killed him, claiming fear for my life.
However, I didn't actually fear for my life, and therefore didn't want the blood of this guy on my hands.

Anyhow, asked the Sheriff to go by and let him know he could have been legally shot, etc. They went to his place of work, and called me after (I never gave them my phone number mind you).

Turns out he was a DOCTOR at the local hospital. That explained the Cadillac Escalade (or however you spell it). They embarassed him at his place of work, and that was that.

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Old January 23rd, 2013, 09:10 AM   #67
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It may not get you in trouble in the long run but could get you a night and lawyer fees till you prove your point but that aside bragging here on an open forum still remains NOT SMART. your all big boys so knock your self's out, no skin off my back.
Look, I'm really not trying to be mean, but again you are mistaken. Do you think cops hide and the bushes, waiting for people to do stuff wrong? "There! That one! He is brandishing a firearm! Arrest him!" They don't do that at all. Hell, brandishing would probably get you an ass chewing at worst, unless you live in CA or NY, or any other state with stupid gun laws. I very plainly said if you draw in the presence of LEO and there is no threat to deal with, your day is going to be a bad one.

No one has said anything in this thread that is in anyway illegal. Some of them were a little Rambo-ish about things, but in no way illegal. Posting our experiences, sharing this information is not only good, but works for us. It is proof that responsible gun ownership is not the problem in this country, because responsible gun owners are not running around shooting people. As we are all very well aware, the myth being perpetrated by the media is that anyone who owns a gun is an evil baby killer (exaggeration, but you get the point). We need to do everything in our power to counter that myth, and the only way to counter myth is with fact. What you, Valken, would have us do is remain mum, silent and unwilling to speak out, proving that we are not a danger to society. If one of those libtards looked at the pictures threads on this forum, they would assume we are a paramilitary organization. Right now this is a war of information, and we are hanging on to the lead only by a thread, working against the MSM and POTUS. Every bit of information that shows us in true light, that we are not murderous psychopaths or crazy old guys waiting for the Soviet army at our cabin in the woods, is information that we need to share and portray. The NRA thinks so highly of this kind of information they publish it in three nationally distributed magazines.

Valken, what we are doing is not stupid. It never will be, and we will continue to do it, despite what misguided beliefs or fears a few may have.

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Old January 23rd, 2013, 09:45 AM   #68
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The only time I ever drew a weapon was in Bosnia. My heart was racing and the guy who owned the forehead that my M9 was pointed at just melted away and then went back to where he came from. I will never forget that day or how I felt moments after it was over.

I have been prepared to draw several times since then but have not had to.

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Old January 23rd, 2013, 11:46 AM   #69
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I have had to "brandish" twice. the first time I was coming home on the outskirts of town and a car of 6 hispanic looking thugs pulled up next to me. They were playing the stereo so loud that Cleveland asked them to turn it down and drinking beer. On the way to the next light they were throwing beer cans and telling me I was "number 1" with the universal sign....I ignored them and when the light changed I went on, pulling my spare mag from my truck gun holster and chambering a round in my little FEG (Walther PPK Copy).On the way too the next light they get braver and hit my window with a half full beer can and swerve a LOT closer to my truck.....I place the spare mag in my hand in the middle finger position and tell them they are "number 1" also.........the next thing I know they are 4 car lengths back and getting farther......I wonder why?

The next time it happened I was at home and the punk 15 yr old son of an EX-girlfried was over and hanging out in the front yard. The idiot exchanges obscenities with a Mustang going by and they make a couple more passes. Another kid comes in to the house to get me because they were scared....smart kid!.....I got my little FEG and put it behind my back.....the Mustang came around again and then stopped a little way up the street. 3 boys got out with baseball bats and came our way. I told them they needed to leave right away.....I was told that I did not have a father and they kept on coming.....I pulled the gun in front of me and pointed it at the ground, and repeated that they needed to leave right away.....they spotted the gun and it looked like the 3 stooges getting back in to the Mustang.......needless to say I got rid of girlfriend and punk son a little after that.......been happily married for 12 years now and going strong!!

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Old February 5th, 2013, 08:36 AM   #70
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Couple thoughts. Reading through all these posts, I am grateful that I have never been placed in that position, (side note though, I did have a .38 shoved under my chin and that was not pleasent. I was a 17yr old on the wrong side of town chasing some poonani that I knew was a bad idea)...

I am grateful that I have been blessed with a lively hood that allows me to live in a safe place, out in the country. I know it can happen anywhere and have made allowances for such, in that regard.

I look upon these tales as cautionary and what worked for some in those circumstances. I think it is enlightening and worthy of the read for those who choose to own firearms.

However I think some minority views need to be considered, especially about sharing of tales as they contain threads of what could be percieved as aggresive tendencies when viewed as evidence in a court of law. Should someone have to stop a threat with force, it could be likely that your mental state shall be examined in many ways, and seizure of your hard drive and your posts to pages such as these could be used in ways you never thought. It is just something to consider...

If you choose to defend yourself with a gun, make sure you understand the requirements of your location in doing so. In addition, should you have to make a statement after the fact, hold off as long as you can so as to decompress as much as possible, and if able with an attorneys guidance. As stated previously, it should be along the lines of "I was in fear of my lifeand, I only used enough force to stop the threat.

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Old February 7th, 2013, 10:47 AM   #71
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Look, Im sure this old timers is beeing attacted by anti-gunners for exercizing his rights.
I think the article failed to admit that he has walking with two young female students at the time. http://www.marlinowners.com/forum/re...193028385.html

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Old February 7th, 2013, 12:02 PM   #72
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question for college guy who had 30/30 in room you where off campus right?
I lived off campus was working at an area hospital in Ga. while I was in college after leaving later than usual from my late night shift , I stopped by the bank atm to deposit my check a car that was speeding across parking lot pulled up at an angle next to me but facing away iI cought a passenger getting out sitting on corner of hood at first not thinking anything of it ooh he s just waiting for the atm but when his buddie got out of the back and started to walk towards the back of my truck as i finished the transaction and pulled my card out GOD was looking out for my that night I turned to get in my vehicle and the young man on the hood sayd where ya goin come on lets go party we need some money lets go and party the other young man stepped out from behind the truck i could see him over the truck bed he was agreeing and repeating what the first guy was say yo lets get some money so we can party by that time i was in the crease of the open drivers door but running out of time as the closed in one a knife one a tire iron reactively I grabbed my girlfriends hairbrush out of the side door compartment and pointed at the it stalled ther assault enough for me to retrieve the 9mm under seat on floor board by time they realized it was a brush i had them in my sights and asked which one wanted to die first and hes my hand was shaking and heart racing the one assailant in the front backed off yelled he gotta gun the driver started to take off the assailant in the back dove in through the passenger window yelling go go go i couldnt stop the fight or flight I fired two Rounds into the trunk gas tank lic plate area and called police when they arrived i was told i was lucky they werent going to arrest me discharge of a fire arm and reckless display. they cought the kids when the went to er for cuts and scrapes from hurt pride and broken glass.

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question for college guy who had 30/30 in room you where off campus right?
I lived off campus was working at an area hospital in Ga. while I was in college after leaving later than usual from my late night shift , I stopped by the bank atm to deposit my check a car that was speeding across parking lot pulled up at an angle next to me but facing away iI cought a passenger getting out sitting on corner of hood at first not thinking anything of it ooh he s just waiting for the atm but when his buddie got out of the back and started to walk towards the back of my truck as i finished the transaction and pulled my card out GOD was looking out for my that night I turned to get in my vehicle and the young man on the hood sayd where ya goin come on lets go party we need some money lets go and party the other young man stepped out from behind the truck i could see him over the truck bed he was agreeing and repeating what the first guy was say yo lets get some money so we can party by that time i was in the crease of the open drivers door but running out of time as the closed in one a knife one a tire iron reactively I grabbed my girlfriends hairbrush out of the side door compartment and pointed at the it stalled ther assault enough for me to retrieve the 9mm under seat on floor board by time they realized it was a brush i had them in my sights and asked which one wanted to die first and hes my hand was shaking and heart racing the one assailant in the front backed off yelled he gotta gun the driver started to take off the assailant in the back dove in through the passenger window yelling go go go i couldnt stop the fight or flight I fired two Rounds into the trunk gas tank lic plate area and called police when they arrived i was told i was lucky they werent going to arrest me discharge of a fire arm and reckless display. they cought the kids when the went to er for cuts and scrapes from hurt pride and broken glass.
I dont get it, the would be attackers fled and were leaving and then you fired at thier car? A wreckless display charge would have been a slap on the wrist compared to what would happen if you actually killed one of them.

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Old February 7th, 2013, 06:26 PM   #74
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when i stalled them with the hairbrush they were within 6-8 feet from me and closing when i came up with my 9mm as i stated the adreneline was flowing and the one in the back was not as smart as the one in the front or maybe more determind even as the car was leaving he was not leaving so i fired two rounds more at the car than at the person himself but close enough for a reality check and to send him running and diving into the moving car but either way your right that would have been a slap on the wrist if i had actually hit one but then again dead men tell no lies Let me edit this post to say i was much younger then and looking back if i shot any one of them my life would have changed forever, i had to identify those kids in a line up they could have filed suit against me, they all had criminal records. Im sure they posted bail laughed it off and went back at it, another bank atm another person not so lucky for me i lost a lot of sleep over the next few months thinking, second guessing, justifying my action but taking a life combat or not is a memory that will stick with you and this happened in 86 but i can close my eyes and relive that situation like it was yesterday.


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Oh, I see, NM

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