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Old November 1st, 2011, 01:40 PM   #1
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Springer 1911 not cycling properly

Last trip to the range she would fire, eject casing and begin to chamber next round but just about every time the slide would stop about an inch short of full return. I'm sorry I don't have the proper vocab for all of this, still attempting to load the pics. Advice? Thx in advance.

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Old November 1st, 2011, 01:46 PM   #2
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The first suspect in any feeding or failure to return to battery is the magazine. Always.

Next: how long has it been since you replaced your recoil spring?

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Old November 1st, 2011, 02:29 PM   #3
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Should have added that... did the same thing with 6 different mags of 3 different mfg. Wilson, McCormick and Springfield factory. Only about 500 maybe 600 rounds through her. Recoil spring already?

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Old November 1st, 2011, 02:31 PM   #4
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Wow... strange.

Next I'd check the extractor tension.

What's the ammo?

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Old November 1st, 2011, 02:31 PM   #5
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Here's what i would check in order:

Is it well lubed 1911's are wet guns and need lube put a drop of oil on the slide rails, around the barrel where the bushing locks in during firing and on the inside of the slide locking grooves.

Next ammo- use some good ammo like winchester white box or american eagle target ammo

Next magazines clean em try some other ones if you find the problem happens with that one magazine junk it and get a new one

Limp Wristing- make sure your holding the gun firmly. If you are letting your wrists flop around when the round goes off the slide wont have enough force to go back and then load the next round.

recoil spring- if you have fired a couple thousand rounds or if the gun came used might just need a new recoil spring. Replace with a 16lb or 18.5lb

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Old November 1st, 2011, 02:52 PM   #6
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Hardball or hollow point? My 1911 won't feed 230gr hollow point reliably at all. No problem with 165gr hollow point. No problems with any hardball except Blazer.

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Old November 1st, 2011, 02:52 PM   #7
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Every round through that pistol has been Winchester or Federal, courtesy of my local Wally world. She is pampered like no other. Always cleaned and well lubed. Once a month if I haven't shot her. I'd like to think I have not limp wristed her as I am a 6' 4" 300 lb guy that usually tends to over muscle my shots and hit to the left. Guess a new spring is worth my first try. Been wanting a Wilson 1 piece guide rod anyway. Still cheaper than a trip to a smith.... hope it works.

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Old November 1st, 2011, 02:55 PM   #8
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If it is beginning to chamber then stops.

Proper lube as mentioned
Recoils spring is weak. 16lbs is standard for 5" .45ACP
Are you shooting lead projectiles
The chamber could be very dirty and tight

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Old November 1st, 2011, 06:11 PM   #9
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Most likely it is the recoil spring.

However, have you changed any parts in it and especially something like the barrel link or something like a "one piece guide rod?"

Very often, extractors need to be tuned by reshaping the claw area slightly and bending the extractor to give enough, but not too much tension. This last would normally not be a problem when you have fired so many of the same type ammo before, though.

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Old November 1st, 2011, 07:39 PM   #10
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Mine had 3-point jams until 1500 rounds or so. It's got about 5k now and it runs like a top. I tried different recoil springs, lubing polishing the feed ramp and nothing worked until I got lots of rounds through it.

It's an all-stainless 1911 though and had very tight tolerances.

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Old November 1st, 2011, 07:57 PM   #11
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Which Springfield 1911?

What you are describing is a FTRB "failure to return to battery".

It's conceivable that a dirty, very tight chamber could be the problem but I doubt it.

Have you changed the slide stop?

My Springfield Custom Shop 1911 had FTRB problems that didn't resolve themselves even after over 250 rounds. Turned out that the lower barrel lugs had been left a tiny bit long so it took a lot of energy to get them to move the last little bit over the slide stop. It's unlikely that is your problem, but take a look at the upper barrel lugs and the lower barrel lugs just ahead of the barrel link. Do you see any "flanging" or unusual wear? This would be highly unlikely with a regular production 1911 but a deliberately tight pistol might demonstrate these symptoms. Also, changing to a slightly thicker diameter slide stop might do the same thing.

Hope that helps.

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Old November 1st, 2011, 08:48 PM   #12
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It is a bone stock PX9109LP "Loaded" parked model. Not a single thing upgraded or changed out. She has always run without a single problem till this last trip. On duty tomorrow, but Thursday or Friday I can head downtown to my favorite parts place for a new recoil spring. Ill let y'all know how that pans out. Thx for all the tips!

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Old November 4th, 2011, 02:59 PM   #13
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Quick follow up.... new Wolff 18# recoil spring installed today. Hand cycles fine and goes right into full battery. 18# feels awful stiff, I may get a 16# spring when I order the Wilson one piece guide. The old spring was more than a half inch shorter than the new spring!!

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Old November 4th, 2011, 07:29 PM   #14
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500 rounds seems to be premature for the spring to be bad already.

Just wondering:

How old is the gun?

Is it ever stored with the slide locked back?

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Old November 4th, 2011, 08:11 PM   #15
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The one-piece guide rod may have its own set of problems. If the spring makes it reliable, leave the one-piece rod out.
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