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What to do if your M1 Garand does not function.

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#1 · (Edited)
There seems to be more questions on this lately, so I thought I would do a thread on it.

Let's get the more obvious out of the way first.

If you are not familiar with the Garand, then go online and find both of these manuals you can DOWNLOAD for free as they are all over the internet, "FM 23-5, U.S. Rifle Caliber .30, M1" and "TM 9-1005-222-12, Operator and Organizational Maintenance Manual Including Repair Parts and Special Tools List / Rifle, Caliber .30 M1 / Rifle, Caliber .30 M1C (Sniper's) / Rifle, Caliber .30 M1D (Sniper's) / M-1 Garand." READ and STUDY them and most of your questions will be answered.

1. CLEANING. If your M1 comes with grease all over it and inside the barrel, the first thing you have to do is clean off all the excess grease. Something that is HIGHLY important with these rifles is to clean the CHAMBER AFTER EVERY TIME YOU FIRE IT or you will get malfunctions. Matter of fact, if you DON'T clean the chamber properly - then pits will develop in the chamber and that will cause malfunctions and you will have to pay to replace the barrel much sooner. You really need one of the military ratchet style chamber brushes and at least one cleaing rod section to scrub and clean the chamber.

2. LUBRICATION. The Garand was MEANT to be lubricated with grease and originally that was Plasitlube. Any good gun grease will work and you can even use wheel bearing grease as long as it does not have the fibers in it. Yes, I know the FM and TM say you can use oil and I would use that if there was absolutey no way to get grease, but that's the only time I would use oil as a lubricant. The manuals show you where to grease the rifle.

3. AMMUNITION. The M1 requires ammo that is set up at a certain range of pressure to operate the rifle correctly, so just any old .30-06 Ammo may or will not function correctly and modern hunting loads are TOO HIGH OF PRESSURE to use without modifiying the rifle. The Civilian Marskmanship Program sells surplus ammo that will work well in most Garands. You can also use Federal American Eagle or Winchester USA 147 grain FMJ ammo. I have used Remington's paramilitary .30-06 ammo in a pinch, but I don't recommend it as the accuracy and sometimes functioning is not always there. IF YOU ARE USING HANDLOADS OR RELOADS - the ammo may well be the problem as well as some cheap imported surplus. You want to use GOOD and PROPER ammo to ensure a malfunction is not caused by the ammunition!!!!

Now, FOR GOD'S SAKE, if you are having a problem seating ammo or it seems to kick too much or if the cases are coming out cracked or with obvious problems like dents behind the neck - on the case shoulder THEN STOP SHOOTING THAT AMMO!!! It could be an ammo problem OR it could be a Headspace problem and THAT'S when you need to get the rifle to a qualified Armorer or Gunsmith. It is completely normal for the case mouth to be dented because it often hits the op rod during ejection and it is also completely normal for the extractor to ding up the rim of the case, though.


4. CLIPS. Technically called an "En-bloc" clip, but most people have always said clips. You NEED GOOD CLIPS or even a perfect M1 may not function correctly. Some of the clips that come with CMP ammo WILL NOT FUNCTION PROPERLY. If you find a clip doesn't work right, then throw it away as you can't repair them. This is one time that new made clips are as good, if not better than old worn out G.I. clips. You can buy GOOD clips from Bill Ricca and Orion 7 to name a couple of places. Even a perfect M1 with correct ammo will not function correctly with BAD clips!

NOW FOLKS, a HUGE number of problems with M1 Garands is DIRECTLY traceable to NOT following the basics. So go over this first before you start looking at the rifle for problems.

OK, to stay with the most basic stuff first the next thing we have to check is the STOCK. Worn stocks will cause more functioning problems than you can possibly imagine. Here are the most basic stock problems I've seen with BOTH old and new stocks.

1. The receiver is loose front to back in the stock. This WILL cause malfunctions as the receiver bounces around in the stock during recoil and does not have a secure position. The force of the gas is lost to making the operating rod work because the receiver is bouncing around. Even a perfect barreled receiver assembly and trigger mechanism will not work correctly when the stock is loose.

To test for this: Take the firing mechanism out of the stock and lay it aside. Turn the barreled receiver assembly and stock upside down on your bench. If you are right handed, grab the gas cylinder with your left hand and the grip of the stock with your right hand. Now try to pull apart your hands and push them together to FEEL for looseness of the receiver in the stock. A TINY LITTLE bit of movement was normal in well used G.I. stocks, but if it moves 1/16" or more, it will definitely cause accuracy and function problems. To correct it, you either have to glass bed the stock or replace it.

2. There is no or almost no tension when you lock the trigger guard down. This will cause the trigger guard to pop open during firing OR may even cause other malfunctions. To correct it you can glue shims to the stock or glass bed it.

3. The tail of the Clip Latch hits the stock. Yup, even see this commonly with new stocks. You will usually notice a small flat indentation on top of the clearance cut for the tail of the clip latch. The fix is easy, just gently carve away the indentation and the clip latch will work correctly. THIS WILL CAUSE malfunctions if not cleared away.

4. The distance from the top of the stock (under the receiver heel) to the two small bedding pads for the rear of the trigger housing is TOO FAR. This is almost never a problem with a G.I. stock UNLESS it has been improperly glass bedded. However, it used to be a VERY common problem with new commericial stocks. The distance is supposed to be 1.725" when new down to 1.700" when worn and maybe slightly less than that. You measure it using a dial caliper inside the stock. If it is GREATER than 1.725, then the rifle can GO FULL AUTO because the trigger housing is too far down from the bolt and the sear won't catch. If the distance is too far, you just pare/cut/file the two small bedding pads upward until the distance is correct.

5. The Op Rod rubs hard in the stock. Again, almost never a problem with a G.I. stock, but often found with commercial stocks. You scrape, file or sand the stock until the rubs are gone.

6. The Receiver Heel rubs the stock in the wrong spot. The receiver heel is supposed to contact the stock from the very rear end going 1" to 1 1/8" forward. THEN there is no be NO conact on the stock going forward to the rear of the receiver legs. You only need to see light between the bottom of the receiver heel and the top of the stock, so you don't need much clearance at all. What this does is cause the receiver to be slightly bent between the forward bedding surfaces and that last 1" to 1 1/8" of the receiver heel. This is intended to force the receiver heel back down on the stock when it twists in recoil. If the receiver heel rubs hard on the stock where it is not supposed to, it will cause feeding issues and often on the fifth through 7th rounds in a clip. All you have to do to fix this is lay a file flat on top of the stock where the receiver heel is not supposed to hit and file back and forth until you have the clearance. JUST MAKE SURE you don't file the stock where the last 1" to 1 1/8" of the receiver heel is supposed to contact the stock.

SPECIAL NOTE ABOUT .308 OR 7.62MM M1 GARANDS: WAY TOO OFTEN the reason why one of these won't function is because a .078" gas port was drilled that is correct for .30-06 BUT TOO SMALL for these calibers. The U.S. Navy used a .106" gas port on 7.62mm Garands, but I have found a .096" gas port is almost always large enough for a rifle to operate correctly with either caliber. So if you have a ".308 Garand" that is not functioning, this is THE FIRST THING to check.

ONE MORE SPECIAL NOTE: If your Gas Cylinder Lock Screw is even slightly loose, that can cause the rifle not to function properly. So BEFORE you fire the rifle every time, ensure the screw is tight so something this minor doesn't mess up the rifle.

OK, this is long enough for Part I. Will continue in Part II.
 
#5 · (Edited)
Part II

For this part of the thread, you may need to refer to " TM9-1275, ORDNANCE MAINTENANCE, U.S. RIFLES, CAL .30, M1, M1C (SNIPERS), AND M1D (SNIPERS) " I don't know how long this link will be good, but here is a great link to it:

http://www.garandgear.com/m1-garand-tm9-1275

I decided I would describe the following as if you don’t have any of the special tools or gages because this is aimed at the person who owns the rifle.

1. INSPECT THE OP ROD SPRING. The spring should measure at least 19” long and NO LONGER than 20.5.” If it is longer or one of the “extra power” springs, that alone is going to cause malfunctions. If it is longer, cut the LARGE end of the spring with a dremel cut off wheel until the spring is between 20 and 20.5” and that alone may solve malfunction problems. Also inspect the spring for kinks, or FLAT spots on the outer diameter of the wire of the spring. If either of these things is present, then REPLACE the spring. I most strongly recommend replacing the spring every 2,000 rounds. I personally recommend the SS springs from Orion 7.

2. INSPECT THE FOLLOWER ROD. If it is one of the “short fork” WWII ones, I would replace it with a Late War “Long Fork” one to ensure better functioning. SAVE a short fork follower rod for a WWII collector rifle or for trading. Ensure the FR is not bent, cracked and the forks are not loose.

3. INSPECT THE FOLLOWER ARM PIN. Now this may sound unusual to some, but if there are grooves worn in this pin or if the pin is undersize more than .002”, it can cause “Timing” or functioning problems. Normal size is .155-.156.”

4. INSPECT THE OPERATING ROD CATCH. You want to ensure there is no crack in the foot and the accelerator is in good condition and held in place with the pin. Unfortunately, there is no way I know of to inspect this part and it often has to be replaced to correct “Timing” or function issues.

5. INSPECT THE FOLLOWER ARM. The little posts or studs to the rear of this part get worn down with use and will cause function issues. You can check the posts with a dial caliper and the normal range of new posts is .120-.122”. I would replace any FA where the rear posts are less than .118”.

6. INSPECT THE BULLET GUIDE. The rounded “nose” or fulcrum is extremely important to proper “Timing” or functioning. Original WWII specs called for this part to be .175-.177” BUT there were some functioning or longevity of problems with that and they went to higher fulcrums in the Post WWII Era. It is not uncommon to find Post WWII bullet guides with fulcrums originally manufactured between .180-.184”.

“Peening” or stretching the fulcrum to make it taller is one of THE most commonly done Armorer jobs to correct timing. Basically, you lay the nose of the bullet guide on something hard like an anvil or hardened bench block and hit it with a hardened hammer to stretch it out further at the rounded edge. You do that on BOTH sides of the fulcrum to stretch it out enough and for more support. I have had to peen and stretch them to as much as .189” in a few very rare occasions to get a rifle to “Time” correctly.

7. INSPECT THE FOLLOWER AND SLIDE ASSEMBLY. Now, this part doesn’t go bad that often. The follower CAN crack at the front sides around the groove and the slide can wear out and pop loose when worn enough. However, this is not a part I find that ever is much of a problem unless the slide pops out or wears out. Slides are available separately, though most people just get a new entire assembly when a part goes bad.

8. INSPECT THE OPERATING ROD. You should notice even before you take it off if the hooks (that engage the Op Rod Catch) are chipped, dinged over or worse FILED down. Yep, filing of the hooks was at one time a “suggested” way to fix this and the problem was they just RUINED the Op Rod as they filed RIGHT THROUGH the hardened surface skin.

Use a MICROMETER to check the diameter of the piston. A Dial Caliper is usually just NOT accurate enough for this most of the time. The ENTIRE area around the whole diameter MUST BE NO LESS THAN .525” or the Piston is worn out. If there are flat spots around the diameter worn below that, too much gas will escape past it and cause functioning problems. The G.I. spec. for a new piston is only .527 + .0005” and an operating rod will wear out two or three barrels before the piston wears out.

Use a Dial Caliper to measure the Op Rod Lug. Normally we don’t have to worry about the height of the lug unless it is obvious someone has filed it down. What is IMPORTANT is that the lug is NO THINNER than .090” or it will often jump out of the receiver channel during firing. New ones run .110” or a little wider.

BTW, the best place I know of to get an Op Rod Piston replaced or a lug welded up and remachined for Garand Op Rods is : http://columbusmachine.com/shooters.htm

EDITED TO ADD: Every now and then you run into a gas piston where the diameter is .528" or .529." These are NOT original pistons and actually are oversize pistons made to use with worn out gas cyinders that are also reamed out oversize to accomodate the oversize pistons. This was done a lot in the 1990's to save worn out op rods and worn out gas cylinders. I do not have much experience actually USING these modified parts and prefer to use G.I. standard parts, but the oversize parts will work for some time. How much? I really can't answer that question. The one thing I hope you take from this paragraph is IF you have one of the oversize pistons on your op rod, you MUST use a reamed gas cylinder with it. The oversized pistons won't fit in standard spec. gas cylinders.

OK, here is a good place to stop. More to follow in Part III
 
#8 ·
Part II

For this part of the thread, you may need to refer to " TM9-1275, ORDNANCE MAINTENANCE, U.S. RIFLES, CAL .30, M1, M1C (SNIPERS), AND M1D (SNIPERS) " I don't know how long this link will be good, but here is a great link to it:

http://www.garandgear.com/m1-garand-tm9-1275
Both service manuals will be available on the garandgear site as long as I haven't run out of airspeed, altitude or ideas. Each page has a download link to a higher resolution version suitable for printing if people are so inclined. They should be fully text searchable also which makes finding information a little faster.

Eric
 
#6 ·
Not really Part III, but more like an Addendum to Part II

9. INSPECT THE CLIP LATCH, PIN AND SPRING. To get the clip latch and spring off, push the rear of the clip latch pin towards the front with a 1/16" drift punch. Then when it sticks out far enough from the receiver, grab it with your fingers and pull it forward and out. Lift the Clio Latch and spring off the receiver. CLEAN the pin and the pin hole in the clip latch thoroughly and try it in the clip latch to see that the clip latch rotates around it easily. The clip latch pins can get bent and if it is bent and hangs up in the clip latch it will cause all sorts of malfunctions. I really can't tell you how short a worn clip latch spring is because I do it by eyeball. However, if you are going to shoot the rifle even for plinking, I have found the majorit of rifles need a new clip latch spring. I buy these springs from Orion 7. Before you remount the pin back into the receiver and clip latch, smear an extremely thin coat of grease on it so it will operate well.

BTW, you would not BELIEVE the numbers of Garands that did not function correctly until the Clip Latch Spring was replaced, so YES it is that important.
 
#10 ·
Hey Gus, I feel stupid asking this after you provided such excellent info above, but I have an HRA service grade that sometimes fails to load the 8th round... in any case the malfunction is always around the 7th round. Usually closes on an empty chamber. Once it has failed to feed that round.

Not often, but once a match or so... any guesses? It's a pretty specific malfunction so I thought you might have some tips. I'm not smart enough nor do I have the tools to properly measure everything you mention above. Should I just start swapping parts and hope I get the culprit?
 
#11 ·
What you are describing ia a classic case of a "Timing Problem" in a Garand. I will be going over that a little later on, but I have to finish one more post on inspecting the rifle first.

BTW, have you gone over everything already mentioned in the first posts? If not, begin there first.
 
#12 · (Edited)
Part III

10. INSPECT THE GAS CYLINDER LOCK SCREW (GCLS). There are two types, the late one that looks like a cross in front is the poppet style, the early one with the “single slot” is solid. On both of them you should keep the rear end clean from carbon residue build up as when it builds up enough, it the residue will break loose and can cause problems if it gets stuck between the gas cylinder wall and the gas cylinder. AFTER you clean the rear of the poppet style, inspect closely for cracks. If you see a crack, replace the GSLS because there is no way to fix it.

11. INSPECT THE GAS CYLINDER LOCK (GCL). Early WWII figure “8” style were not hardened and will crack when fired enough. However, I have only seen a handful of them actually crack in all the years I’ve been doing this. The figure “8” ones with the “M” engraved on the sides are hardened as are the Post WWII “High Hump” GCL’s.

12. INSPECT THE THREADS OF THE BARREL FOR THE GCL If they are severely worn or threads are missing, I’m sorry to say the only thing you can do is replace the barrel. Barrels that are used a lot with the cheap kind of “stovepipe” Blank Firing Device wear out these threads FAR faster than in normal firing.

13. INSPECT THE GAS CYLINDER. Short of checking it for cracks or if someone hammer dinged up the front or rear end, there is not much in the way you can inspect the GC without using a Gas Cylinder Gage. Over the years, I have been surprised that even GC’s with a great deal of scratching/gouging along the length of the cylinder bore will STILL function perfectly as long as they pass the inspection with the GC Gage.

An original GCG is extremely expensive and some of them no longer are in good enough shape to use them for gaging. There is a low cost alternative in the one that Badger Ordnance makes, but even so it is too costly for most people to own. I know some people use a depth gage to check this, but I’m not sure that is really doing the same thing for you as this gage:

http://www.midwayusa.com/Product/294389/badger-ordnance-gas-cylinder-gage-m1-garand

14. INSPECT THE GAS PORT HOLE. In a .30-06 Garand, the size is .078” and in a G.I. 7.62mm barrel it is .106” though as stated before I have found .096” to work fine for .308 and 7.62mm Garands.

15. VISUALLY INSPECT BOTH HANDGUARDS FOR CRACKS. Cracks can be opened, cleaned and reglued and that is how to fix them.

16. INSPECT THE LOWER BAND. Basically you check to ensure it is in line with the receiver and the legs are not bent severely.

OK, I am not going to list checking the Trigger Mechanism or Rear Sights as that is covered in other parts of this forum. The next post will try and I repeat TRY to give you an idea of what to do about “Timing Problems.”
 
#13 ·
Part IV Garand functioning.

BACKGROUND: EVERY M1 Garand had to be function fired when it was first built to ensure it worked correctly. Even though all the parts were brand new then and all parts had passed manufacturing tolerances and Gage inspections, A VERY SMALL PERCENTAGE OF GARANDS DID NOT FUNCTION CORRECTLY. Just like NO car manufacturer ever wants to make a lemon, it sometimes happens even though every part in the car is good. What happens is normally called “Tolerance Stack Up” when a lemon is made. That means that the parts in that rifle could all have been made either on the high end or the low end of the specs and they just won’t work right even after passing all Gage inspections.

The first time I ran across this was in 1992, after working on Garands for almost 20 years. I “re–timed” and replaced the parts in a standard Infantry Grade Garand at one gun show. The next gun show the owner brought it back and said it was not functioning. OK, I pulled the parts out of it I had replaced and timed it with different parts. Next gun show the owner was back saying the rifle did not work. At that point, I took the rifle, the Gages and MORE parts to the range to function fire the rifle. I think I re-timed it twice more before the rifle functioned perfectly and continued to function perfectly until the owner shot the lands out of the barrel, thousands of rounds later.

Since that first Garand that did that, I have run across THREE more Garands that inexplicably would not function even with excellent to NOS parts and where the rife passed the Timing Gage test. I had to take extra parts and the Gages to range on those rifles as well before I found the parts that caused the rifles to function properly. I used to say the possibility of this happening on a Garand was “1 in 800” it would do it. However, it may and probably is a smaller percentage than that. I wanted to explain this first JUST IN CASE you have one of the very small percentage of Garands this happens with and the rifle just has to be function fired with more parts until it operates correctly. So if you run into a Garand that does this, it can always be fixed, but it most likely will have to go to an EXPERIENCED M1 Armorer or Gunsmith.

When I inspect Garands at Gun Shows and correct the Timing, I always try to inform people the above can happen. So if the customer’s rifle just happens to be one of those “1 in 800 Garands,” then the customer will know the rifle has to be brought back to me so I can take it to the range with the extra parts and fix it. However, since that is so rare, most of the time I get the M1’s fixed at the gun shows.

DO NOT BE LAZY!! If your M1 is not functioning correctly, go back to Part I and ensure you have done everything mentioned there. Then go down the inspection criteria list to see if any of the parts are out of spec and fix or replace them as needed. OK, so what happens if you have done ALL OF THE ABOVE and the rifle won’t function correctly? Well, you probably have a “Timing Problem,” so we will go over that next.

SO WHAT IS “TIMING” OF AN M1 GARAND ??

“Timing” is short for what was officially called “Timing of Clip Ejection.” That short definition is about as clear as mud and often confuses people. Though I do not know the “long form” engineering terminology, it basically means everything involved with ensuring the rifle functions properly.

The Ordnance Department issued what were/are called “Timing Gages” aka “Timing Blocks” to inspect for improper timing of parts and to use to fix the rifles when they malfunctioned due to Timing Problems. The term Timing “Block” came from it being a good size block of steel that is Precision Made to inspect the rifles. You don’t even want to ask what the value of an original G.I. Timing Gage is, though fortunately, a good repro is on the market made by Badger Ordnance. Since this gage costs around $ 100.00 plus shipping, it is not cheap and most individual M1 Garand owners will never buy one. However, you really need one of these things to fix “Problem Children Garands.”

http://badgerordnance.com/tools-and-accessories-for-m1-garand-rifle/

There is a precision cut channel in the Gage that has everything to do with using it. To use the Gage, you have to have the bolt locked to the rear and to do that, you just pull the Op Rod back until it locks. You place the Gage in from the top of the receiver with all the parts in place in the entire Barreled Receiver Group. As you push the gage downwards, that precision cut channel in the Gage tells you if you have a problem. If the bolt is released BEFORE the Gage gets down to the lower end of the cut, then you have a rifle that times too quickly. This is fairly uncommon and is actually the easiest timing problem to fix by replacing parts.

The NORMAL problem exposed by the Timing Gage is when the action “Times too late,” which means the Timing Gage shelf at the top of the Gage comes to rest on the receiver and you can not push it in any further. If the bolt is NOT RELEASED when that shelf hits the top of the receiver, it is “Timing too late.” When this happens, I hold the Timing Gage down in the barreled receiver and look at the side of the Operating Rod Catch to see how far the hooks are away from slipping off the corresponding hooks in the Operating Rod. If they are just a tiny bit away to maybe 1/16” of an inch down, then you can probably fix the timing merely by peening out the nose of the bullet guide as mentioned in Part II, Number 6. INSPECT THE BULLET GUIDE in the above posts. Many Garand Timing Problems can be fixed by doing that, but if not, then things get a whole lot more difficult.

If that doesn’t fix it AND expecting you already inspected the other operating parts, then NORMALLY what you have to do to get the Timing Issue fixed is replace the Operating Rod Catch (ORC) although it may ALSO take replacing the Follower Arm and/or the Follower Arm Pin. The PROBLEM is that even with Brand New Old Stock Parts, there is NO way to inspect an ORC to see if it will work before you buy it and try it. I keep as many as 10 to 15 NOS ORC’s on hand at all times and even then, ONLY one or two of them MAY fix such a Timing Problem when it comes up. If after trying a whole bunch of ORC’s and the rifle STILL doesn’t time correctly, then you have to either re-bend or replace the Op Rod. Rebending an Op Rod is DEFINITELY NOT something even many gunsmiths know how to do.

If you get to the point where you need a Timing Gage to fix the rifle, for most people it is best to seek out an experienced Garand Armorer. If you have a Timing Gage and can’t get the rifle to function with this information, then the same advice applies.

However, IF you follow the advice given in this thread, you stand a good chance you can fix your Garand unless it has a Timing Problem bad enough the Timing Gage is required.

If you would like to learn to work on Garands, the absolute BEST book I recommend on the subject is by Jerry Kuhnhausen:

http://www.gunbooks.com/us30.html
 
#16 ·
Gus where where you when I got my M1's last year, one gave me fits but I managed to work thru it with a lot of the info you mentioned, thanks again for your wonderful insight and experience.
 
#21 ·
This information should be turned into a "sticky". Ignore me if it has already been done. It saves some of us who suffer from: "I don't like to read long and confusing ordnance manuals to get this information-itis" from hunting high and low for this very pertinent information.

Thank you for this MGySgt Fisher.

Sgt Ric
 
#22 ·
Just purchased from CMP

Just purchased this piece of history. It fired very well for the 1st 16 rounds. Now I am having trouble with loading. It sticks and will not close even with a strong love tap. When I risk M1 thumb and guide it, it will close and sometimes fire and sometimes click (only). Any ideas? Le me know what you think.


So here are the particulars regarding this rifle:
1. Springfield M1 Garand
2. Receiver serial number 954541 (manufactured November 1942)
3. Side of receiver ID number D28291 – 17 SA (correct for November 1942?)
4. Operating rod handle D35382 3 SA (correct for 1942?)
5. Trigger assembly D28290 – 12 SA (correct for 1942?)
6. Barrel stamp S – A – 10 ??? (original barrel?)
7. The rear sights are original and first generation. They employ a “lockerbar” technology to loosen and tighten both the windage and down range settings.
8. Weapon fires and all mechanics work well. Shot 16 rounds on Saturday August 23, 2014
9. Performed heavy cleaning, oiling and greasing of all parts on same day.



There is a stock mark reads '69 H' under the pistol grip. It is hand painted and is probably a rack mark for an Infantry.