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Old October 5th, 2016, 07:42 PM   #16
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Trigger assy secure lock up is usually proponent to the depth and width of the trigger well to ensure lock up. Any resistance or hard lock up usually means the stock needs some work to relieve the stress. Your trigger assy is not completely engaging. You can test by eliminating the stock to make sure the lock fully engages. Keep it simple when diagnosing, KISS for us old timers and for the newbies Keep It Simple Stupid!

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Old October 5th, 2016, 08:44 PM   #17
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I have to ask, what's the purpose of the green and black containers in the pic?

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Old October 5th, 2016, 10:46 PM   #18
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I have to ask, what's the purpose of the green and black containers in the pic?
The Green and Black containers are the cases for the optics.

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Old December 22nd, 2016, 02:10 PM   #19
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I want to Thank Everyone for your input and suggestions.

I bought a NIW Bula Forged Trigger Guard from KurtC in our Group. I hope to have it installed by the first week of January. If the weather is good I will take it out and test fire it.

I will post my results.

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Old December 29th, 2016, 04:30 PM   #20
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I just got my Bula Trigger guard and compared it to my GI SA trigger guard. Just as an FYI my trigger group was NIW when I bought it.

The Bula looks Great!

The Bula locking ear seems to be on less of an angle as the GI locking ear. The spread of the trigger guard on the Bula is wider then the spread on the SA GI trigger guard. The locking ear on the Bula is slightly shorter then the locking ear on the GI SA Trigger Guard.

When I removed my Tigger Pack I had to pull real hard on the trigger guard to make it unlock. It seemed very tite.

Here are some pictures. The SA GI trigger guard is in front of the Bula trigger Guard in the first pic only. Pic 2 through 5 the Bula Trigger Guard is in front of the GI Trigger Guard. I lined the trigger guards up using the locking pin holes for these pictures. The two trigger guards match each other from the magazine side of the guard back to the loop around the trigger. That's when I see some differences.

Any opinions if the Bula Trigger Guard will solve my problem?













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Old December 30th, 2016, 08:48 AM   #21
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Old January 8th, 2017, 11:39 AM   #22
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Swap it out and find out. It's an easy thing to do.

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Old January 8th, 2017, 02:44 PM   #23
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When you remove your trigger group examine the bedding of stock were the pad of the rear of the trigger group engages. There should be a groove in the center about 1/4" wide from front to rear, Sometimes bedding compound gets into this groove at the rear. When this happen the locking tip of the trigger guard can not lock properly into the trigger housing. A couple of minutes with a sharp knife point or similar tool will remove the excess material. Go slow and do not remove material from the pad itself only from the rear of the groove.

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I don't know how old or how many rounds your rifle has, but also change out the pin that holds the trigger guard in the housing. -Lloyd

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Old January 8th, 2017, 05:34 PM   #25
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I don't know how old or how many rounds your rifle has, but also change out the pin that holds the trigger guard in the housing. -Lloyd
Trigger Guard was NOS when purchased along with all other parts being NOS and sent to Clint Fowler to build. He supplied the Kreiger Barrel and McMillan Stock.

This M14 has less then 200 rounds through it.

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Old January 8th, 2017, 05:36 PM   #26
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When you remove your trigger group examine the bedding of stock were the pad of the rear of the trigger group engages. There should be a groove in the center about 1/4" wide from front to rear, Sometimes bedding compound gets into this groove at the rear. When this happen the locking tip of the trigger guard can not lock properly into the trigger housing. A couple of minutes with a sharp knife point or similar tool will remove the excess material. Go slow and do not remove material from the pad itself only from the rear of the groove.

Thank You!

I will check. It is glass bedded.

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Old January 9th, 2017, 06:38 AM   #27
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Using the correct tool, gently, when opening either an M1 or M-14 trigger guard can save damaging the group. The whole trick for us ham handed M14 guys is not being rammy.







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Old January 11th, 2017, 07:37 AM   #28
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After looking at the stock, (just after reading the suggestions in this post) I remember looking at the stock area for a build up of glass that may have caused the trigger guard to pop open. That was many years ago. I don't think a build up of glass is the issue with this problem. I took a few pictures, some are good and some are blurry but you can see that that there is no glass in the area of the rear of the trigger guard. You can see the set screw for the rear lug in these pictures and it sits well below the cut out.

Sorry about the dog hair over the set screw for the rear lug. I did not see that till I uploaded these pictures. It is not a strand of glass but a dog hair from my Red Nose Pit Bull, Chaos.

I may use an old bedding trick I was first taught when I was 12 years old. I am going to put some lipstick in the relief area of the stock where the trigger guard locks into place. If there is an issue I will see lipstick on the trigger guard and a scrap in the lipstick.

If there is an issue I will take pictures and post.

I need to clean my gas piston since it no longer passes the tilt test. I am ordering a few tools to do that. After it is clean I will take it out to the range and test it with some gloves on since the last time I shot it I did get a nasty cut in my right hand.

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