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M14 NYS SAFE 2013 Compliance

This is a discussion on M14 NYS SAFE 2013 Compliance within the Gunsmithing forums, part of the M14 M1A Forum category; Originally Posted by Anthony I wouldn't consider getting rid of bbl. thds. but how about carefully welding castle nut to FH? Just before April, 2014 ...


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Old February 4th, 2013, 08:03 PM   #16
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I wouldn't consider getting rid of bbl. thds. but how about carefully welding castle nut to FH? Just before April, 2014 of course!

Some steels start to lose their hardness at about 350* F so is the silver solder over the threads a good idea?
Don't think the barrels are hard, and the threads MUST go. No threaded barrels PERIOD. AR world has been silver soldering for a decade.

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Old February 24th, 2013, 06:11 PM   #17
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I wouldnt do s--t. F--k them.

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Old February 24th, 2013, 06:36 PM   #18
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I got parts, but am sitting tight right now.

I can take those threads off in 15 min with a file and glue everything together. I'm not too concerned about the threads; the barrel's probably going to be replaced in a year or two anyhow.

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Old February 25th, 2013, 07:54 PM   #19
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I got parts, but am sitting tight right now.

I can take those threads off in 15 min with a file and glue everything together. I'm not too concerned about the threads; the barrel's probably going to be replaced in a year or two anyhow.
Yeah, I got a couple of rare barrels that I don't shoot much. Not filing anything down on those.

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Has anyone tried WalnutScout's idea of modifying the mag release?

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Old March 25th, 2013, 04:32 PM   #21
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The big "if" here is if that ornamental flash hider is ok and not viewed as a muzzle brake or compensator.

Exactly right.

"(VI) A FLASH SUPPRESSOR, MUZZLE BREAK, MUZZLE COMPENSATOR, OR THREADED BARREL DESIGNED TO ACCOMMODATE A FLASH SUPPRESSOR, MUZZLE BREAK, OR MUZZLE COMPENSATOR;"

The law doesn't "differentiate" between permanent or removable - ergo - anytime you attach any type of compensator - you may be opening yourself to having it classified as an "assault rifle". The expanded definition over the previous law to encompass all types of breaks indicates pretty clearly that they will only allow a plain barrel with no attachments.

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Exactly right.

"(VI) A FLASH SUPPRESSOR, MUZZLE BREAK, MUZZLE COMPENSATOR, OR THREADED BARREL DESIGNED TO ACCOMMODATE A FLASH SUPPRESSOR, MUZZLE BREAK, OR MUZZLE COMPENSATOR;"

The law doesn't "differentiate" between permanent or removable - ergo - anytime you attach any type of compensator - you may be opening yourself to having it classified as an "assault rifle". The expanded definition over the previous law to encompass all types of breaks indicates pretty clearly that they will only allow a plain barrel with no attachments.
An "ornamental flash hider" such as what LRB sells, are not flash hiders or muzzle brakes or compensators.


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Has anyone tried WalnutScout's idea of modifying the mag release?
Just tonight I was looking at Bullet Button mag releases from Botachtactical. 30 bucks shipped free. Bought one with paypal. I did not want to destroy my original Springfield mag release or one of the nice Sadlak ones either.

So I'll shave the top of bullet button down and put a metal plate over it so it can't be released like the original BB idea. It has to move easily just like the original to keep the mag tight but moves a little while firing.

A couple of weeks ago I top loaded an empty mag with the Sadlak mount installed and it wasn't as bad as I expected, still sucks though. Not quite M1 Thumb but I can see the use of thin gloves to keep skin from getting cut and scraped. Arthritic hands didn't complain too much..... Just pushed em' in with straight fingers.

And no I'm not giving in to Herr Adolf Cuomo but if this abomination persists next year I'm thinkin the BB device mod may make the BB's very much in demand so I'm gettin' mine now.


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So, thread title says it all. I do not want to register my M14s with NY State, so, I need make this post ban compliant.

It will probably involve turning down the muzzle threads and a set-screw based "ornamental" flash hider, such as LRB sells.

If any of the smiths have ideas of whether this will work. I was hoping that a quick weld over the castle nut set screw would have been sufficient (similar to a blind pin weld on an AR). The only thing they mention is "removing barrel threads". The modification has be be irreversible. The M14 is really not attracting must attention on this (for now), so a set screw weld may work.

Any suggestions would be appreciated. I have an email out to Lou at LRB, but he is probably still at the Shot Show.
Fixing the magazine to the receiver will not be an option as I don't think they are allowing this.
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An "ornamental flash hider" such as what LRB sells, are not flash hiders or muzzle brakes or compensators.

That supposes that "function" is the reason behind the law. It is not. These items are banned because of their "appearance" - not because a flash hider or muzzle break makes the firearm more "effective". As such, if you choose to put on a device that "looks similar" to a banned item - you are merely inviting trouble.

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What Toki has here is a semi auto rifle with detachable mag and NO evil features, just a front sight holding device bolted to the front of the barrel.

Like a Mini 14 Ranch model all grown up. Just because it looks like an evil feature is no cause for concern. NYSP will look at it and hand it back once the lack of barrel threads is discovered.

BTW, nice job Toki.

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Old April 3rd, 2013, 05:19 AM   #28
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That supposes that "function" is the reason behind the law. It is not. These items are banned because of their "appearance" - not because a flash hider or muzzle break makes the firearm more "effective". As such, if you choose to put on a device that "looks similar" to a banned item - you are merely inviting trouble.
Wrong. A flash hider hides flash. A muzzle brake stops barrel rise by redirecting gas through a series of strategically placed holes in the device.

This does neither. LRB is now selling the same exact device as "NY Compliant" dummy flash hider. The NY SAFE website actually states that you can "grind off threads" to make your rifle a non assault weapon.

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OK... Some of my shop items

FH farthest to the right was a USGI hider. I filled in the slots with JB Weld and Duracoated. Then reamed it out with the NM reamer.
Think it will holdup??

- A barrel with the threads removed and re-finished.
- Tapped Polytech hider.



Closer look at the JB Weld job... It's hard as a rock.



Tapped...


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The barrel is not threaded on a m14. The threads start about .25 inch behind the end of the barrel. The flash hider does not thread on, it's held on by the castle nut.

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